World of Wisdom

Anna Gyllenklev (LinkedIn) founder of Untra Studio visited the podcast. We spoke about what our environments do to us, we spoke about health and the relational nature of our world. What are the dependencies that structure our thinking? What do we have to do to think outside our brain? What are you cultivating? What do we nurture? What does it do to us when we attend to things that are not living and how can we redesign our lives? Enjoy!

Servane Mouazan (⁠LinkedIn⁠, ⁠webpage⁠) visited the podcast and we spoke of things like collective intelligence, what happens when we invite the organisation as the living entity and inquire into it into the room, we spoke of trust and how capital is not just financial capital but rather many things. We spoke of change, and resistance to change, the invitation to listen deeply to our assumptions. How assumptions drive behavior, the crucial importance of imagination for this moment and how we have an obligation to pay attention. Enjoy this circular or perhaps spiral conversation.

Thekla Teunis (⁠LinkedIn⁠) is the founder of ⁠Grounded⁠ aiming to bring agriculture back into balance. Thekla shares her journey from Shell and McKinsey to her current work of transforming agriculture bottom up from the core. We speak of being with the consequences of what one is doing, what it takes to see and what it takes to take risk. The importance of having a team willing to go the distance and having the courage to act to right something that is fundamentally wrong. And how that, even though it is sometimes hard, is what affords a meaningful existence.

Vicki Saunders (LI) founder of Coralus and I spoke of the new ways of building business, systems transformation, the power of generosity and kindness. What happens when you get 7000 women together and let the community direct investments? What happens when you realise just how expensive control is and how cheap trust is? What are the metaphors that can set us free? We speak of transformation as a step by step approach and our power, agency and responsibility to build a world that works for us. Listen to this one! Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Sam Hinds (website, substack) therapist, PhD and lecturer at California Center for Integral Studies, has been on before EP173. We dive into the depths of what some call collective precensing. We speak of faith and trust. We speak of the impatience we feel, the importance of slowing down, of staying with it. We speak of responsibility, relevance, circular time and much else. The practices Sam wrote his dissertation on as practices to reconnect with life, inviting the many to agency and as a practice of attuning to vitality, within and around us. If you are curious about collective practice in some form. This is a must listen. Other resources we mention: Episode with Ria Baeck, Debold & Steininger, Sam's other Podcast with Rosa Lewis. Host Amit Paul.

Giles Hutchins (⁠webpage⁠) has been on the podcast before (⁠EP107⁠). Recently released his 6th book ⁠Nature Works⁠ which we center this conversation around. We deepdive into the meaning of the quote: "being intimate with the immanent and transparent with the transcendent". Giles also positions us nicely in where our society is currently, we speak of the potential of living intimately with our everyday life. We also bring in terms like dinergy, dissect belonging, explore hesitation and uncover stillness. And you'll get to hear the one tip, the core skill of regenerative leadership if you lean in to the episode! Enjoy!

Samantha Sweetwater is a coach, author, holistic practitioner (webpage, LinkedIn, Instagram). We spoke of what is to have lived with the awareness of existential risk for 50 years. Which places it may take you. We speak of what it means to live in these times we live in and the possibilities it offers us. We speak of embodiment, enlifenment, aesthetics, sensemaking, attention, animism, suspension of disbelief. We speak of wisdom. And what we can do now to build capacity. Towards the end there is a radical invitation. What if, we are the ones that in the future will be known as "we were the ones who came home"? Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

Vanessa Andreotti author of Hospicing Modernity, dean of the faculty of education at University of Victoria and member of the DCF collective came and spoke about what it takes to begin making space for something that isn't modernity. We speak of the importance of humor and humility, staying open to both the good and the sh*t, coming into contact with what modernity is actually doing to us and what it means to be tethered. What happens when there is no away? We speak of form and motion. We speak why fighting or fixing are traps. We speak of the fact that colonialism, the world most of live in, feels good. This is a human, humorous wonderful conversation for those serious about being in service to the different world may also inhabit. Link to facing human wrongs course. Host: Amit Paul

This episode is an intermezzo. It is an audio version of Amit Pauls and Eric Lichtmans article in the Unpsychology Magazine 10: Edges: To move in spaces where worlds shift. Enjoy!

Ida Faldbakken (⁠LinkedIn⁠), CEO of KatapultX and co-founder of ⁠Katapult Future Fest⁠, and I had a deep inquiry into what it is to gather, what it's for and what it means to not waste peoples time. We also spoke about what it takes to break our habits, like what if the people on stage are there to propagate the conversation off stage, what if these contexts do not have to scale in themselves and can still continue to scale their impact in the world, what does it mean to work at the peak of ones capacity - what does it mean to stop when we're not at capacity? This is a rich conversation about our current challenges seen through the lens of gatherings. Enjoy!

Manish Jain, founder of ⁠Swaraj University⁠ and ⁠Ecoversities Alliance⁠ is this weeks guest. We spoke of alternatives to education, why education as we think of it today may be one of the root causes of the metacrisis rather than a solution for it and we spoke of reclaiming learning and knowledge. The treachery of language like 'first generation learners' and types of knowledge - spelling goat vs herding them and which is more knowledgeable for instance. We also speak of how come,outside of our culture, not everything has a price. This is a rich and deep conversation that will have you rethinking everything you knew about education.

Grace Rachmany of the Voices of humanty, Priceless DAO, DAO leadership and many more projects is this weeks guest. We spoke of democracy and the state of it, we spoke of decision making, what happens to a society that has the monetary system as it's primary social structure. We speak of value, commons, technology and responsibility. This conversation is a deep and thoughtful one that points to the many possibilities of what reshaping our societies entails. Enjoy!

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Tanuja Prasad (LinkedIn) and I had a conversation about her work in regenerative investments. We talked about the spirit of investments, the driving force behind investment up until this point, how to transcend the extractive paradigm and shift away from the control and force as the governing principles towards something more generative. Tanuja and I spoke of the Systems view of life and how it’s influenced our work and thinking. This is a conversation that is profound and subtle. It works with a new set of metaphors and concepts with the ambition to reinvent the fundamentals of investing for a regenerative paradigm. Enjoy!

Eva Karlsson (LinkedIn), CEO of Houdini Sportswear visited the podcast. We got to talk about solutions that are not solutions, the planetary boundaries in business, measurement, common sense, why joy at work is a radical thing to focus on. We also spoke of the benefit of having a strict set of design boundaries to work with, spoler: it spurs creativity. We also spoke about responsibility in business and working in synergy with the living planet. Host: Amit Paul

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Jeremy D Johnson visited the podcast a second time after 2 years (website). This was a deep and curious conversation about change all the way down. We spoke of emergence happening in the middle, the idea of slowing down, the importance of hesitation, temporics of attention, the awakening of the relational (integrated) worldview in younger generations. We also spoke of this notion of the potential for creative responses in the fisures, in those moments when our habits no longer meets the worlds we live in. Jeremy is a master with words and this is a beautiful weaving that provided me with lots of insight. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

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Jenny Grettve founder of the Economic Institue For Feminine Futures, author of the upcoming book Mothering economy came by the podcast. We spoke of why, with all our innovative capacity, it is so difficult to create a caring and kind economy? This is a conversation on many levels that zooms in and out of the economic, educational and systemic work Jenny is involved with. We also speak of how to invest in love, what it takes to come into alignment with ones values and what it would take for us to just stop. Other ways to find out more of Jennys work: website, WhenWhen Agency Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Eric "Zippy" Harris-Braun, founder of Holochain, had a conversation about Holochain, agent centric vs data centric blockchains, the power of Holochain as one of the components of the DNA for social organisms. We speak about money and why it is not a very wholesome storage of value. We speak of gramatic capacity and LLMs as grammar deducers, the importance of membranes as well as consent. We also speak about the weave as a new beginning for the decentralised web. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Jeremy Akers from Gospel of change (Substack, X, LinkedIn) came by the podcast. We spoke of liberating structures, how to acheive coherence in groups and why that is crucial for the times we live in, game design and how that may take us forward. This is a conversation that orients towards the practical with some concrete tools and possibilities to look at for shifting habits. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

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Another solo episode with some pressing reflections that wanted to come out. I reflect on the myths of separation, control and survival. Also invite you to consider the Relax, Repurpose and Remember triad that Innrwrks is working on. Most of all I invite you to be with the very challenging (and rewarding perspective): If everything in this world is as its supposed to be - what are we invited to learn? Some of the resources that I touch upon: Episodes from World of Wisdom podcast Karl-Erik Edris, Michel Bauwens. Blogs: Temporal weaving as a practice, My substack, World of Wisdom substack. Other resources: Johnathan Rowson, Caring Economics (Eisler), Innrwrks... enjoy!

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Karl-Erik Edris came by for a second conversation (here's the first from nov 2023). This time we spoke of the rise of fall of civilizations, where we currently seem to be in this current change, the axial age, the fall of the roman empire, Jesus, modernity and what might be coming next. What is it that our current ways of treating eachother and the planet can teach us? What are we invited to learn? If you are one of us that is looking for the 'smoke' that connects the real world and language as Karl-Erik puts it this is definitely a conversation for you. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

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Nora Willhelm (web, linkedin) founder of the well, co-founder of Collaboratio Helvetica, alumn of the European youth parliament and much more came by the podcast. This is a specific and hands on conversation about what it takes to be one of those longing to bridge the existing system towards what is to come. The costs of being a bridge, why systemic work particularly is difficult to navigate and a whole host of concrete tips for those on the path towards working systemically. (Here is the Tedtalk about daily leadership.) Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

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Michel Bauwens (Substack⁠ and ⁠X⁠) is a thought leader and researcher in the space of commons. Also the founder of the P2P foundation. We speak of the state of the commons, dive into the pulsation of the commons, the rise and fall of civilizations, and much more. Michel makes a beautiful argument for why we are currently moving towards a time when communities will again steward commons in ways that has not been deemed efficient for some time and why the state+market structure we are currently in is crumbling under it's own weight. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

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Audrey Fillon and Victor Vorski came on the podcast and we spoke of Gathering. They are co-creating the Gathering of the Tribes (links: Gathering of Tribes' website, LinkedIn,YouTube channel, Instagram, Newsletter) It was a beautiful conversation touching on the technology of gathering, the need for breaking silos, the Project, what these times are asking of us, why systems thinking is not really a discipline, the importance of practice and action and much much more. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Amanda Argo Efthimiou (webpage, LinkedIn, instagram) is specialized in integration of peak experiences and altered states with a background in Neuroscience. We speak of integration as an ongoing process, how cultural context is critical in understanding how we think about integration. We speak of how to retain the potency of a peak experience and how to think of time during integration, as well as ones integration practice. This conversation introduces a whole new perspective on integration on the high level, for those interested in or in need of more hands on guidance look into this conversation as referenced in the episode. Enjoy!

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Christina Bengtsson (LinkedIn, Tedtalk) founder of Reclaim Focus has been a world champion of precision shooting, military officer, author. We speak of what focus is, if it's effortful to be focused? We speak about time as well as the fundamentals: what is focus? We speak about how we create our present as well as our future depending on how we are able to focus and of course about how we can reclaim our focus that is currently under attack. This is a fascinating conversation focusing alot around the experience. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul.

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Louise Rönnerdahl (LinkedIn) executive coach and coach at Leader intelligence came on the podcast and spoke of the current trend towards dehumanisation. We spoke of the IQ the EQ and the SQ (spiritual intelligence) in the model Leader intelligence in Sweden is working with. As well as the intelligence of the body. The fact that a manager is both a manager and a leader and need to have competence in both. We also spoke about what it is we're afraid of and why it is, that for many of us, 'the worst' has already happened. This is a deepdive into the new paradigm of leadership. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

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Christian Bason (LinkedIn) the former co-CEO of Danish Design Center and Director of MindLab, currently co-founder of the Transition Collective (intro). We had a deep conversation about what it takes to transition and transform our current society. We spoke of how to take seriously the how and begin to move away from problem solving that creates more problems. Christian also shares his experience of taking an organisation to a full on decentralised mode as he did with the DDC. Enjoy!

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Josephine Sundqvist the Secretary-General – CEO of LM International (Läkarmissionen) came on the podcast. We explored development and the importance of partnership. Why focusing on empowerment is more efficient than maximizing short term returns. Why it might be the right ove for companies as well to stop thinking of profits as the end and instead see it as a means for something greater. We also speak of faith and leadership and the importance of hope. As well as what it means to have keep a gaze oriented towards the potential while not wavering from the (sometimes) harsh reality as it is. This is a truly wonderful conversation. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

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Jack Manning Bancroft founder of AIME Mentoring came on for a wonderful conversation. We spoke of the work AIME is doing on imagin-nation as well as them designing and acting with a set death date. We spoke of custodianship, unexpected connections, marginal voices, the importance of getting rid of racism, power, moving people and being in the in-between. This is a very rich conversation deeply inspired by on Jacks book Hoodie Economics which I recommend warmly.

Carl Lindeborg (website) has worked with people and organisations as an advisor, consultant and teacher, both in Sweden and internationally for the past 20 years. He is the founder of Lindeborgs Eco Retreat and author of the book The authentic shift (Available in English and Swedish). This conversation is about the person an about the book, what it takes to shift, what it feels like to learn, what it means to become a teacher, stage models and the importance of actually doing the work. Enjoy!

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Thor Sigfusson director of the Icelandic ocean cluster and author of 100% fish came on the podcast and we spoke about fish, innovation, clusters, business, having the courage to speak 'normal Icelandic', circularity and doing it without knowing it, practitioners and many other things. This is a conversation about an industry with a huge impact in the world and where it's headed and how one can move it towards 0% waste.

Jeff Su from nrythm and I got to speak about working with life as a model. This is a wonderful, tangible primer for those not familiar with what the regenerative paradigm is all about. Actually its probably a wonderful primer for even practitioners to check themselves around. Clear, precise and tangible. For entrepreneurs and established companies take a look at the incubator (application closes 19th of April 2024), here is a link to the organisational health assessment and the regenerative design lab. Enjoy this one, I certainly did. Host: Amit Paul

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Thought leader, designer and energy powerhouse Leyla Acaroglu (web, LinkedIn) came and talked about circularity, systemic perspectives, design and indigenous communities. We also talk about shit, what it is to suck at regeneration, participation in systems and learning. What does it mean to really take fully into account the context, whether it is hot and dry climate or the most poisonous spiders in the world? That we consist of both stardust and chickens and much much more. This is a wonderful conversation that goes deep and wide. Enjoy. Host Amit Paul

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Nora Bateson came by the podcast again to speak in-depth about the concept of meeting, not matching problems. This is a wonderful concrete (not abstract) conversations that dives deep into this concept. A concept that is crucial for the world we're in. One that invites a different perception of it alltogether. Here's the first conversation. The book Combining. The article Communication is sacred. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

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Alnoor Ladha and Lynn Murphy came by the podcast talking about their work with post capitalism (webpage). This is a deep and through provoking conversation from a place in contact with also outside of the neoliberal, capitalist, western worldview. We touch upon a many different aspects of what being ecultured in modernity entails: our addiction to comfort, the importance of understanding the time we are born into, the assumption of our entitlement to know, to be certain. Alnoor and Lynn also link the spiritual, economic, political and religous very clearly and suggests a direction for where we might want to be headed. This is a deep and revealing conversation that I hope you will enjoy. I certainly did. Host: Amit Paul

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Elina Eriksson Associate Professor at KTH (profile) came on the podcast and we talked about the work she's been doing with her students at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology around transformation and transition. We speak of nudging, counterfactional scenarios, university studies as learning not merely graduating, the paradigm shift, the new role of the teacher, voulnerability, how transformative questions can also come in the form of 'how are you?' We also speak about futures and what we can do to spark movement now, work Elina and her team has been doing with the Transition movement. Enjoy!

Karonline Bottheim (LinkedIn) founder of Länka Consulting visited the podcast and we had a wonderful weaving around leading complex processes, certainty, communication, moving in the groan zone, trusting your feelings as portals for deeper explorations, learning and much more. This is s deepdive for those curious about complexity facilitation and what it means to shift and manouver in multi-stakeholder processes. And then we talk about the bible. As two fellow curious that just made our way through it, one in a more rigorous fashion, and it's implications for our current moment. Enjoy!

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Maria Haggo (LinkedIn) founder of Transform8, TEDx speaker and fellow curious came to the podcast. We had a conversation about different aspects of neuroscience and how getting savvy about it allows us to work and live better. This is a hands on conversation about relationships, emotions, triggers, ingroups and outgroups, who's fault it is, the utility of curiosity, what you can do when you fundamentally disagree and much more. This was a really useful conversation to me, simple not easy yet with lots of nuance. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

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This is the third installment with Ylva and Alexander. This time we talk about the anteroom (mellanrum). This is the concept of the space between worlds where we can begin sensing and moving into what will come next. This is a powerful conversation about what it takes to go beyond the current paradigm. It is for those that are curious and interested about what is to come next. For those that have perhaps let go of some of what this world has to offer. For those that are doing this for something bigger than themselves, that long to be in service. Enjoy!

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Ralph Thurm (LinkedIn), Managing director of r3.0 joined me on the podcast. We spoke of the work r3.0 is doing and regenerative transformation. We spoke of the evolution of the field of sustainability, what it means to regeneratively redesign, as well as the flaws (and as what r3.0 has done to amend them) of the current discourse of sustainability. We also spoke of the topics of post-collapse readiness, the connection between micro and macro, bioregionalism, membranes, boundaries and measurement. This is a rich conversation for beginning to understand what a regenerative economy could contain.

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Linda Jarnhamn (LinkedIn) founder of Flow2thrive came on the podcast and we spoke about productivity, brains and culture change. Linda's perspective on how we can leverage data to invite people to begin their journeys and how wearable's are wonderful tools to remember what it feels like to 'feel good'. We also speak about collective interoception and why most workplaces aren't productive - even though people are working very hard. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

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Alex Carabi coach, author and fellow curious on the discovery of a relational world. We speak about Alex's journey into coaching as well as his book On Relationality and Alex beautifully unfolds some of Martin Bubers thinking. We speak of relationality, of risk or perceived risk, including the other and utilizing the other, attending and different types of attention as well as intimacy. This is a beautiful, thought provoking, warm and wise conversation that I recommend deeply. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

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Professor Dovev Lavie is an economics professor that began experimenting with new forms of economic exchange during the pandemic. A concept he developed and unfolded in his book. More info can be found here Cooperative Economy. This conversations take us through some of the symptoms of the current economy and we discuss underlying causes as well as possible solutions like looking at purchasing power adjusted pricing, promoting and incentivizing pro-social behavior and other similar concepts that Dovev has developed in his book. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

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This is a solo episode with a reflection for the new year. My 111th episode as co-host of the World of Wisdom podcast. I touch upon 3 topics that are central in my current exploration: the idea of hospicing modernity, why the work I've been involved with around the masculine and the feminine seems to be about the other and getting off the map and into the territory and finally I propose what creation looks like in the realm of the masculine and feminine. If you want more of me either check out my Substack or my (new!) webpage. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Nora Bateson founder of Warm data labs and author of the book Combining came on the podcast for a warm, worldbending conversation. We speak of this world we live in and what it means to be involved in its unfolding through some of the concepts in Noras current book Combining. We speak of confusion, complexity, abouting, readying, shifting, communication, range, side by siding, the need for discontinuation, changing maps and how the territory always wins. This conversation has had me say "as Nora said" for weeks... perhaps you will to. Enjoy.

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Mandy Martini Chihuailaf (webpage) came on the podcast. We spoke about indigenous wisdom, remembering, and why our western culture seems to be so stuck. Mandy works with indigenous approaches to moving through trauma and stress. Healing it by completing they cycle, just like any other wound. We also spoke of our current perdicament, remembering who you are and the different steps in teaching. The importance in her tradition to show and allow the one that is learning to then take their own steps. Even when it comes to hard lessons... this is a down to earth, wonderful conversation touching a place outside the dominant culture.

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00:00 Introduction to Indigenous Wisdom

03:21 Preserving Indigenous Traditions

06:17 The Impact of Trauma

10:33 The Illusion of Progress

16:55 Living in Balance with Nature

20:09 Healing from Trauma

23:15 The Natural Cycle of Trauma

28:29 The Cost of Staying Stuck

31:33 Accepting Indigenous Knowledge

36:05 Starting the Healing Journey

40:25 The Role of Community

46:25 Acceptance and Trust

48:49 Showing by Example

49:31 Being a Full Human Being

50:26 Building Courage to Show Up

51:00 Teaching Through Stories

53:26 The Importance of Listening

54:45 Sharing Through Stories

56:02 Telling Stories Without Preconceived Conclusions

57:19 Attaching Feelings to Actions

59:48 Creating Change and Feeling Good

01:00:38 Land Project and Indigenous Learning Center

Darcia Narvaez, Professor of Psychology at Notre Dame university (web, university) has lived many contexts and careers before she started her research on the Evolved nest and the kinship worldview. She has written a number of books on the topic of how we care for our children, or lack of care for them, has deep implications for the world we live in today. This conversation centers around that concept and how we can break the cycle (film) and re-imagine humanity (film) in ways that take us in more regenerative directions. This is an incredibly important and timely conversation. Host: Amit Paul

Merlin Bola (Grow in Flow, LinkedIn) is a fellow curious building regenerative bridges into the fog, into whatever is to come next. This conversation is a wide ranging exploration into the realms at the edges of science and what is to come. We deal with quantum darwinism, neurodiversity, other perspectives on our brains (and bodies) self healing capabilities and the energy generating capacity of water. This is a conversation that takes us through many possibilities of what may come next. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Olivia Lazard (LinkedIn, writing) is an analyst, scientist and thinker looking at the intersection of peace, planetary security and ecology. This is a conversation that takes us into the current predicament through the lens of security and peace. Olivia has a unique view into the European project and we touch on some of the most potent tension at this particular juncture in time. It seems we europeans are dealing with our past and future very intensely and simultaneously. We speak of the technocraty, the growth paradigm, the economy, the ecology and about geoengineering. This is one of my favorite conversations sofar on the podcast. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Jonas Roupé (LinkedIn, webpage) is a strategist and human being as well as a magician. This conversation touches upon the work he has been involved with from ecocide to making business more circular. But most of all we talk about the concept of resilience and agency in a time of crisis and collapse. Jonas outlines a pathway towards life that is perhaps counterintuitive in the current cultural narrative, an invitation to the local, the human the small. We speak of different roles and different approaches to the collapse: like protecting wise decisions now, building pathways for transition and for releasing the musts. We speak of the buddah, dharma and sanga, the physical, social and aesthetic human and much much more. This is a warm, soft conversation that left me with a a sense of joy and meaning. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Karl-Erik Edris is an author (books in Swedish), thinker and educator on the topic of leadership. We took a deep dive into the why grand narratives are probably not what we need right now, why life is probably about revealing your own stupidity to yourself and how the state of the world right now is probably not something we did wrong, rather just something we need to pay attention to so we can get it right. This is a wonderful conversation with one of the deepest thinkers and optimists I've encountered. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Maria Zachs the passionate, values driven activist and founder of the Voices4Change foundation as well as the initiative Growth4change introducing hydrophonic growing techniques in one of Kenyas poorer communities. Maria speaks of her approach to local democracy, empowerment, being values driven as well as acting in full alignment with those values. We also speak about what it took to earn the trust as well as beginning to understand how to make change in some of the poorer and socially exposed areas in Kenya where she's currently working. And we of course talk about tango. This conversation touches many topics and especially the inspiring work of Maria and the organizations she has founded. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Jim Wallenberg is a company advisor, speaker, change leader. We spoke about engagement, working in different capacities in a company, how it is possible that many people still seem to think that engagement in a company is some random magic or luck and not a result of hard work. We also spoke about how to not get hired as a manager and what it takes to get compliance. This is a fun, tangible conversation about some the topic of leadership, management and how we get things done together. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Mark Milton (LinkedIn) founder of Education 4 Peace and Spirit of Humanity Forum, former director of IFOTES and co-author of the book Master of Emotions joined the podcast speaking of his long passion for listening and where his own listening brought him. This conversation touches upon the possibility of sports in peace and consciousness development. We also speaks of different levels of listening, relational consciousness, sensing and trusting and letting that be the source of movement. We also speak of more difficult topics like violence and the get a peak into how the world has changed over the past 3-4 decades for us passionate about systems transformation. Host: Amit Paul.

Jon Smeija from the Green Biz Group came by. We talked about the state of the circular economy and the challenge we are facing in the next few decades. Jon is a chemist by training and has been in technical roles in corporations for most of his career until he stepped over to the green biz group where he runs their event on circular economy. We speak of the immense challenges we are facing in the coming years and address things like there is no such thing as away, consumers are in some way product blind, the culture of convenience is one of the biggest challenges we have to face if we are to make meaningful progress and much more. Host Amit Paul

Paul Weinfield (Spotify, webpage) musician, coach, teacher and more. Paul wrote a text about the heroes journey that grabbed Amit. This is a wonderful conversation about things like surrender, growth, truth, what it means to be human. But not in a high flying, abstract way, this is tangible, close and personal. Check the links if you're curious about Paul's work. Enjoy the conversation! Host: Amit Paul

Best selling author, cosmologist and physicist Jude Currivan came on the podcast for a wonderful conversation hovering around the topic of Unity. We speak of the need for a new story, the laws of physics as relational algorithms, our 21st century technology and our 19th century world view, activism, acting local - feeling global - thinking cosmological and much more. This is an invitation to embrace the simple and not easy, assume belonging and common ground and accepting that love as the innate inseparability of all parts from the whole and the whole from all parts is the very fabric of our universe. Enjoy! Resources: Whole Worldview. Host: Amit Paul

Fredrik Forss, long term serial entrepreneur and debut author come on the podcast and we talk about his debut novel UNUM - AI god or servant. Where the book came from and his process of writing it. We also touch upon symbols and stories how one can play with them to hack our current cultural moment. We speak of some very likely questions that we will face as parents to kids growing up in the age of AI. This is a deep and fascinating conversation about a topic that Fredrik's thought a lot about over the past 6 years. Links: Fredrik Forss, the Unuminati. Host: Amit Paul

Laura Storm (webpage) author of Regenerative Leadership with Giles Hutchins, speaker, entrepreneur, community builder, mother, creator. The list is long. We got together for a wonderful conversation about the what regeneration is, the next steps and moves in the regenerative community, joy, a ceremonial attitude to life, grief and what it means to really stop and be forced to surrender to life. What does it mean to accept that there is no recovery, no going back? This covers some of what I believe to be the most important topics of our time yet not through high flying theoretical concepts rather the life and contexts that takes up most of our time. To connect check out Regenerators and Regenerative Leadership. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

Glenda Eoyang is the founder of the Humans Systems Dynamics Institute (hsdinstitute.org). They have been working on human systems development for several decades teaching courses and developing tools for agency and collective action in the liminal times we are in.

This is a gem of a conversation. Glenda provides some valuable frames from the institutes work on how to manage and navigate in the current times and we speak about difference, paradigm shifts, questions that make a difference, baker folds, non-linear dynamics and stances we can take to be of service to the transformation. Enjoy!

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Dakotah Apostolou is a co-founder of the Cohere network. Reinventing regenerative home ownership and collective living for our age. We speak about community, why arcitecths seem to have a knack for imagining what’s next, why maximum diversity around values not metrics is the way to go and why ownership is so important and yet something we need to fundamentally rethink. Dakotah and his team is looking at one of the fundamental needs of humans, shelter, and rethinking it in a way that makes it fit for whatever the world need next. Curious? Follow along at cohere.network

This is another solo reflection. This time I speak of the modes of exchange that have progressed through our paradigms, from: reciprocity, dominance and trade towards something new. Perhaps that new thing is play? And how that interacts with different ways of thinking: think mind, process mind, essence mind and source mind. Exploring how these two aspects in themselves seem to relate to the switch from exchange value to true cost and use value rather. And what happens in a world where anything is to expensive to own? Is that the path towards us reinventing ownership? This is a little open ended with out conclusions but perhaps you hear something I missed, what came a live for you? Appreciate your patience with the sound, ended up having to use a back up microphone. To see what I'm up to, connect or engage with my writing and of course more on the RCO here

Ditte Lysgaard Vind is a design practicioner, teacher and author deeply immersed in circular design. We speak of the a number of the importance of weaving together products, materials and business model. Circularity as a tool not an end in itself. Measurements of various parameters and why CO2 is a critical indicator right now. We speak of the shift form Exchange to Use value in our accounting and what that would entail and about the two fundamental principles that we need to practice: Stay with the trouble and Get tactile! This is a wonderful conversation on everything circular. If you want to get in touch with Ditte and go deeper visit: https://www.thecircularway.com

Johnn Anderssonis a systems scientists looking at socio-technico-ecological systems. We speak about systems in the widest sense and also in the details. Maps and territories make their way into this conversation as well. We speak of the ontological vs the epistemological aspects of systems and what it does to us when we mistake those. We also speak about the consequences of our decision to focus on systems of innovation in the 80's vs what could have happened if we would instead have talked about systems of transformation all along. This episode is very rich and invites a different way of understanding the world in a very tangible way. Enjoy!

Kajsa Balkfors is the former (very successful) CEO of Cirkus Cirkör that has dedicated her life as a practicioner to practice the art of living in community, hosting and most recently she's worked with liberating kids in the Swedish preschools through Tillitsverket. Ola Jubelin is a friend and a skilled facilitator that you can find at facilitatingchange.se. This is a conversation between practitioners. We speak about change, what it is and how it differs from the new. The distinction between change and growth. Most of all however we speak about what is possible when we fill existing structures, like the preschool, with new content and how that has the potential, like in Kajsas case, liberates both kids and pedagogs. Enjoy the conversation!

Viveca (Fallenius) Svensson is a passionate lawyer and practitioner of legal design. We spoke about the state of privacy and trust in our society. What legal design actually is and how we can approach law completely differently. What if we actually trust the law makers good intent and instead of pushing against law as something we want to avoid we'd use law to actually guide our actions? Finding out what the spirit of the law is and pushing off from that. We also speak about automatic contract writing, a little bit about how we as consumers can do things to reclaim our power but mostly it's a peak into what is also possible in our current system. There are ways to practice law consciously. If you are curious to find out more about Vivekas work check out GentleRev. Host: Amit Paul

Ariana Alexander-Sefre co-founder and CEO of Spoke a mental wellness app focused on working with music as a path towards mental resilience. We address the topic of the parts of the demography that a coach, yoga teacher or wellness program will never reach, the power of music to shift, move and transport us. We also speak of the power of melancholy and how music can be an important part in gaining new perspectives. Spoke is working globally with their app and methodology and is committed to push the research front in parallell. This is an important conversation with large implications for those of us committed to large systems change. Host Amit Paul

Indy Johar at Dark Matter Labs address some of our most pressing planetary needs and we talk about their work. This is a fascinating conversation where we touch upon objects, our relationships to them and how that is important to rethink bureaucracy to and allow it to harness our increased computational capacity. We also talk about ownership and for pathways towards custodianship, how we can orient towards letting life find a way, how work could be part of liberating us in the new paradigm, why direct redistribution is most likely not the path forward and why all of this fundamentally is an invitation to rethink what it means to be human. This is a mind blowing conversation. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Daniel Görtz 50% of the team behind Hanzi Freinacht came on the podcast to talk about the times we're in, the material conditions for transformation, what we can do that are trying to make the transition into a new reality and we speak about AI (of course). Daniel brings in the different modes of interaction: play, competition, cooperation and trade with the suggestion that we love all of them. We also speak of the faustian societies and scratch the surface of the power over vs power with dynamics. We also speak of the move towards the information economy where attention, retention and respons are going to be crucial factors. This is an excellent conversation where Daniel graciously holds some of my messiness while I try to follow along in his reasoning in real time. If you want to get the Hanzi books or follow their work check out https://metamoderna.org/. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Lennart Hennig (LinkedIn) founder of the Institute for collective development and co-founder of Alma de Solo visited the podcast. We talk about regeneration of the land. The cycle of life as growth, sustenance and decay and how our current moment is so enamoured with the growth part, to the detriment to everything around us. We speak of attention and how it is such an important variable, and how the current epidemic of mental health crisis could be more than just a crisis, perhaps there are adaptive aspects to it given the society we live in? We speak about the energy of helping and fixing and we speak about diversity. To connect with Lennart and to support his work visit the links above. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Stefan Engesethis the dyslectic that became a researcher and author. We talk about Stefan's concept Sharkonomics. What humans and corporations can learn from sharks in thinking about particularly business and business strategy. Our conversation is wide ranging and we explore several different concepts from Stefans books as well as what happens when we start considering time in longer cycles than just with a mere 'human' lens. Enjoy this conversation! To connect with Stefan check out either the links above or his LinkedIn. Host: Amit Paul

Alexander Crawford and Ylva Björnberg visit the podcast for a deep dive. Both Ylva and Alexander are deeply involved with the transformation of society and are recovering futurists. This conversation introduces a concept they have been developing and gives a first taste of what they call conversation 1 and conversation 2. Conversation 2 is what is needed by some for us as a society to start being able to shift out of the grid lock of the current global logic. This is part 2 of our conversation that we ended up re-recording post IPCCs updated report and the release of Chat-GPT4. We speak about language, Bretton Woods, Silence, Push and pull, institutions and much more. Come along!

Alexander Crawford and Ylva Björnberg visit the podcast for a deep dive. Both Ylva and Alexander are deeply involved with the transformation of society and are recovering futurists. This conversation introduces a concept they have been developing and gives a first taste of what they call conversation 1 and conversation 2. Conversation 2 is what is needed by some for us as a society to start being able to shift out of the grid lock of the current global logic. We cover a few of the fundamental moves in this conversation. Like the ladder of awareness by Paul Chifurka and Donatella Meadows framework on places to interveine in a system. This is the first part of the conversation and next week we'll lean further in, it ends right when we took a break (that ended up being some 7 weeks in clock time). We'll pick it up again next episode. Come along!

This is a special episode. It is an experiment into what is called collective presencing in some circles, emergent dialogue in others and probably goes by other names as well. This practice is something Amit has been involved with for some years now and invited two masters. Sam Hinds (twitter) and Cheryl Hsu (webpage). This is our first conversation together and we explore our field, it is a rich deep exploration that might require a measure of patience to get through but the reason I'm putting it out on the channel is because I believe you will be enriched by the experience. This is also how conversations can be.

We touch upon how cells in a limb growing back knows when to stop growing, what death enables, what it is like to be eaten, models that are worth engaging with for their beauty and the longing for participation. Of course there is much more to this conversation. Do you dare to take a leap of faith and leap in? Host: Amit Paul

This is my 3rd solo episode. Feeling called to think out loud. I do touch upon the masculine and the feminine principles and the work I've been doing with Eric Lichtman on the topic of 'dissolving the cage' (not making it dissapear mind). I touch upon the concepts of openness that could also be called faith and compassion and why that is so crucial. I speak about consequences. Nested timelines and the inherently hopeful prospect that simultaneously ongoing crisis might afford us. I speak of feelings as portals into remember and in(-)formation. And I discover a part of what whatever it is that I'm doing on this podcast have to do with Socrates. If you want the links to the number of episodes I point to or find the writing I've done on some of the topics I bring up here check out amitpaul.substack.com. 

Brilliant Lene Rachel Andersen came on the podcast and we spoke about Bildung. Lene is the authorof The Nordic Secret and several other books and is deeply engaged in the topic of creating a future worth living in for all of us. This particular conversation circle around the topic of bildung, its necessary and sufficient conditions, what it actually was, what the history of it was and how it relates to the concept of 'adult development' as defined by the developmental psychologists and their stage theories. An excellent review of the topic as well as a some conducive directions for those of us thinking about where we can go next as a society. If you want to connect: Nordic Bildung, LinkedIn, Global buildung network. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Helena Norberg-Hodge is the linguist and one of the wisdom keepers and originators of the regenerative movement that through her experiences in Ladakh many decades ago discovered the cracks of the conventional story of industrialisation = progress.  We revisit that story, and we talk about those cracks. Helena gives her perspective on the current economic paradigm and why this logic is in many ways, most ways actually in opposition to the logic of life. Helena has developed the Economics of Happiness and is also a center figure in the budding localisation movement. To find out more and to support Local futures visit their webpage. Until then enjoy the podcast! Host: Amit Paul

Eugenio Molini (webpage, LinkedIn) has worked with organisational transformation with 100s of organisation all over Europe for the last 30+ years. He shares his wisdom on do's and don'ts as well as some very clear rules of thumb. Like why minimal structures are the way to go, that there is no such thing as perfect - always strive for sufficient. Why focusing on peoples actions and a common target is an way to actually get culture and people to shift - without coersion. We also speak of the different types of organisational transformation that one has access to and why it is useful to have the Dunbar sequence in mind when leading or growing an organisation, and perhaps even reorganising one. This is a very useful conversation for anyone that has anything to do with change work. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Gita Rajan is the head of clinic and research and the founder of WONSA (World of No Sexual Abuse). I took her out of the comfort zone to some degree a little bit trying to talk about complexity. Then we explored the different aspects of the human condition and truma. We talk about control, stealing - taking what is not yours, what it means to be truly interdependent, part of the world (as opposed to separate from it). We also spoke of war, separation and transformation. The basic principle that ever living being is ready to transform - and we need to ask for consent prior to transforming someone or something. This is a true exploration. A true dive into uncertainty and one of those conversations that have really rearranged my system since. On a side note: WONSA needs more funding for their important work, if you can contribute please do. Their work is so important. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul 

Dada Shambushivananda (LinkedIn) is the Chancellor of the Global Neohumanist Education (Gurukul) and has dedidcated himself to the movement called Ananda Marga. Dada was born in India and graduated from Wharton school of Business before returning to monastic life and dedicating himself to inner and outer peace in the world. Dada is the author of several books like Thoughts for a new era and his latest book Towards a brighter future. This conversation circle around human potential and what becomes possible when we lean into the spiritual aspects of our human potential. What is the limit to how much a kindergarten child can learn? What is important to consider in a learning environment? What does it mean to control your mind? What should we consider going forward for those of us that long for a regenerative future? Host: Amit Paul.

Amit and Nils take a look into the RCO as it stands right now. The RCO is an organisational model aiming to bring business into relationship with the rest of the world, an undertaking crucial to create the conditions for a regenerative paradigm. The RCO stands for the Regenerative Community Organism and the first one is just filing it's registration documents with the Swedish authorities. This entire episode is a little meta since Nils is interviewing Amit on the topic in an episode that will also be posted as part of the soon to be released Meaningful Work Podcast. If you want to find out more check out the RCO deck or reach out to Amit or Nils. Enjoy! 

Thomas Herrmann (LinkedIn) is a facilitator for more than 25 years in various co-creative methodologies in particular Open Space Technology and lately also bringing the decision methodology five to fold to the world. He's worked across contexts from public organisations like hospitals to companies and associations. With spaces as small as 5 people and as large as 700. This is an excellent, hands-on primer for the curious to start understanding the possibilities of these topics. In a larger perspective we discussed the importance of structure in complex problem solving, the possibilities and affordances of collective intelligence and decision making, why empowerment will surprise and surpass your wildest expectations of what is possible - if you are willing to surrender. This is hands on with immense implications. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul.

Leif Edvinsson is a Swedish organizational theorist, Professor at the University of Lund in Sweden and consultant, known for his work on intangible forms of capital, specifically intellectual capital and knowledge management. This conversation with Leif is a trip into a different way of engaging with the world. Leif says early on in the podcast that he learned to think at Berkley, CA and that the invitation was often to turn everything upside down. That's what we are doing here. We enter the usually dull world of accounting and intangible assets and start looking at how we can use the practice not for controlling and taking stock but rather for quantifying potential. It is truly mindboggling when you let some of these concepts sink in.

We speak of spiritual capital, intellectual capital, alternative cost, potential, future forecasting, experimentation, living labs, entrepreneurship as creation in the spaces, why piles of shit was a good measure of future wealth on the farm and what happens when you realise that the main value of the tree is in the roots not in the parts you see. This conversation is truly exciting. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Joel Tickner is a professor Umass Lowelland founder of the Green Chemistry and Commerce Council (GC3). This conversation revolve around Chemicals in the products we use in our everyday life. Why chemicals are so ever present? To what extent and how should we worry about them and what can we do as consumers to take care? We speak about why chemicals-free is probably not a possible vision. What the difference is between synthetic and natural and what it means with regards to safety. We speak about risk and hazard, ways to think about chemicals and much more. This is a really hands on, useful conversation for those worried or curious about chemistry in our world today and why they are in our world in the first place as well as how we need to change our practices to get to something that looks like sustainable or green chemistry. Host: Amit Paul

Pella Thiel (LinkedIn, webpage) is the institutional activist and farmer that is focused on getting ecocide legislation into the ICC at the Hague. Support their work at Stop Ecocide. We talked about ecocide law and why it is potentially so elegant and powerful. We also talked about what direction ecocide law points us in with regards to our state as a human species or as a part of the whole earth's ecosystem. We spoke about the importance of loving what is already here and the power of the institutions and the system that we have built that we now need to transform. We spoke about the value that we can find in relationships and what happens when we dare to localise our value - shifting our gravity of value closer, to biking distance even. This is such a hands on, humane and warm conversation that I'd recommend anyone to listen to it regardless of if you need a pick me up or if you are a budding activist and need a different way of changing the system than chaining yourself to a tree. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Maria 'Decida' Wahlberg is the co-founder of Transponder where she works with transformation of culture in companies and society at large. She is a creative, dancer and choreographer turned systems thinker. To find out more about her check out her webpage. In this conversation we look at what it is to come home, what pop music has to teach us about culture change and transformation. What it means to be deracinated and put into a different culture, what it means to find a new home in a subculture, what movement and constellations has to teach us about complexity and much more. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Daniel Christian Wahl is one of the motors and originators of the regenerative design trend that is really picking up speed now. We speak about a number of topics like: of coming home, what regenerative actually is, what would be a better topic than carbon dioxide to work on (water cycle). why it is important to leave the antroposcene behind as it might further be deepening our pathology of separation. How it is that we can integrate indigenous perspectives and world views in a more constructive way? Why our current state of technology development is also just kids stuff and not necessarily the pinnacle of what homo sapiens have achieved. This conversation is a peek into the world of the regenerative with one of it's wisdom keepers. It is a diverse, grounded and truly human. To find out more about Daniel Christian Wahl visit his webpage, his medium or his youtube channel. Host Amit Paul

Alexander Whitleyis a British renowned choreographer trained in classical ballet that has formed his own company and is working and exploring the topics of our current moment, consciousness and our interaction with technology. We speak of the potential for us to process complexity through other languages than the spoke word. What happens, what shifts and what becomes possible through the implicit? That which contains lots of room for interpretation? We also speak of what is the nature of the relationship of art and what does it mean to have to fund art (to make contributions visit the company's webpage) as well as new formats for dance and art (check that out on the website too). Wonderfully rich and deep conversation in words but addressing something else altogether with an invitation to look at dance through the lens of a dancer. Enjoy. Host Amit Paul

Joshua Haynes (twitter) a nurture capitalist (not venture capitalist) and director of the investment fund Masawa where they have reimagined capital and investing, building an ecosystem and looking out for people that build ventures to address our mental health challenges. This was an exciting conversation and some of the questions that Joshua poses like: power for what and what does an ideal system look like when belonging is universal? We also speak of the world of aid as part of Joshuas background in SIDA and USAID. Why his current ventures might have some traces of inspiration from the micro finance industry. And we speak on the topic of whether money has a soul? Wonderful wide ranging conversation. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Marco Valente (LinkedIn, Twitter) is a sustainability practicioner and a facilitator. He's way of speaking into and navigating complexity are wonderfully rich. Marco shares some of his thinking on a wide range of topics. We speak about epistemic humility: how do we get to see the world through which lens? Loops of learning and Marcos decision diary. Wicked learning environments and how to navigate them. What do we do in the face of radical uncertainty? What does it mean to set a minimum set of rules or minimum specifications? What is the replication crisis and why does it not warrant for disbelief in science? What is the paradox embedded in evidence based decision making? Wonderfully rich conversation on how we get to know our world. Host: Amit Paul

Maria Selting from the Unbox your world podcast came on. She is a futurist and a technologist having spent time in a couple of hyper growth start-ups. She is now a speaker and podcaster focusing on what's next in the world. Discussing her article titled 5 mental shifts to thrive in the future of work. This is a fun exploration around the times we are standing in and a meeting of paradigms. The conversation cover the 5 shifts and it was a privilege to weed out and untangle similarities and differences in our way of thinking. The 5 points are useful as a backbone to structure one's capacity building regarding the times that we are in. Here is the deeper explanation of the concept of anti-fragility that Maria points to in the conversation.  If you want to book Maria as a speaker. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Ria Baeck is a psychologist and a member of the Art of Hosting community. She has worked with organisations as large as the EU as well as many companies in "untying the knots" that are keeping people from fulfilling their full potential. Ria has been experimenting with collective presence (or wisdom) for a long time. In fact she wrote the book on collective presencing(excellent resource). Her experiments with the "magic in the middle" has taken her into a journey of remembering and exploration of many years. And the exploration has some profound implications for those of us interested in transformative work. This conversation focus on the collective presencing, we speak of individual and collective stuckness and how we can bring flow (or life) back when that happens. And focus especially on how to cultivate a culture of interdependence. I personally believe this is an important one for those engaging in transformative work. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

If you are curious about collective presencing you can also check out the STOAfor the open sessions that they offer.

Hans Hassle who describes himself as half buddist monk, half business man. He has spent much of his life in business trying to change business. The fundamental values of business particularly. We speak about the companisation that is the invention he made to put the limited company back into relationship with the rest of the world. We also dug deeper and spoke about value, responsibility and ended exploring how it is that we are willing to give up almost anything for money. Is it so that money has a soul? This was a wonderful, rich conversation. If you want to get in touch with Hans, check out his LinkedIn. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

Klaus Schenck is a coach and organisational consultant that has dived deep into the world of agile. This conversation uses Agile as a point of departure to go into our current perdicament in the world. We touch upon Scrum, Kanban, DevOps, standardisation, measurement as well as the basic pilars of flow of value and respect for people and what they mean. We talk quite about the relationship between parts and the whole and optimisation. Theory of constraints, complexity navigation, trial and error, solutions focus etc. are other frameworks and ideas we touch upon. It is an incredibly rich conversation with a wonderfully empathic, knowledgable and curious person. If you want to reach out to Klaus visit his webpage or look at some of his articles. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Anders Varger is the school teacher and entrepreneur that realised that it's possible to change societies. Even if you are just an individual. We speak about his project to build regenerative neighbourhoods through his organisation Hubville and his work to bring in youth and elderly into the discussions around how we build our society through Framtidens röster. We also speak about not knowing as a leader. What it means to be on the pragmatic edge. Scaling down and deep, figuring out what you are really doing and how really move things along and a lot more. This is a grounded, concrete, hands on discussion about the craft of driving societal change. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Nate Hagens is the host of the podcast the great simplification that has blown up as a dire and well researched lense to our current predicament as a species. The podcast is a must listen for anyone trying to make sense of our wold that takes a trans-disciplinary lens on our challenges. From economy to biology, chemistry and physics. If you are new to the topic take a look at the animated shorts that will give you a nice overview of this frame. Or dive into the youtube channel right away.

This conversation is timely and somber. And yet it contains hope. The frame of a this being a story of a species finding a huge amount of fossile carbon and throwing a 2 century party and the need to now gently come off it sums it up in one way. The take away that both Nate and Amit, both spending quite some time in existential risk frameworks, have the feeling that the understanding of the times we are in create some sort of agency and a different focus altogether. Nate took a break form his touring the world and speaking to governments about the last 20 years of his work to record this. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Alexander Bard is philosopher, artist and politician. We invited him to talk about the trinity priest/schaman, matriarch and chieftain/king and the times we live in. This is a challenging, thought provoking perspective that draws upon a specific narrative around our current moment. It deals with the feminine, masculine and shamanoid. The invitation is clear: what does it take for our society to grow up and start taking responsibility? What does it take for you to do that? Hosts: Amit Paul and Nils von Heijne. 

Dr Joey Weber is the author of Why mindfulness is not enough. He worked out a definition of equanimity and also a protocol for being able to measure and cultivate equanimity during his PhD. Joey is now giving 6 week courses in mindfulness (next one starting october 2nd 2022, and then restarting every 6 weeks). This conversation about equanimity, feeling, how to put mindfulness to use. Joey is liberatingly opinionated and passionate about the subject. To find out more check out Joeys Webpage, LinkedIn or Instagram. Enjoy.

Amit Paul talks into a couple of things he's been considering lately weaving previous episodes, learnings and perspectives. He covers knowing, the importance of it and its relationship with arrogance, maps as an important part of navigating and what they are - also invoking some care in our relating to them both in terms of the map makers intended and unintended purposes. The power principle and our current moments relationship to power and how it is an innate part of our biology - to be pulled towards power. He also talks about the concepts of intention and extension and how that paring may make us suceptible for capture. And wrapping up: how can we invite people to move from a place of not knowing - from a caring, circular, end-less paradigm, what does that look like? (If you want to connect with Amit, Linked in or his webpage are the places to go) Enjoy!