Just Lawful

While Sean and Daniel start out with mere facts and figures it doesn’t take long before the underlying issues between authority and accountability once again rears its head.

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In this episode the JL boys conclude their raw and enlightening interview with Graham and Lauren Ralph as they discuss deterrents, discontent and judicial disconnect.

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Sean and Daniel are joined in studio by Lauren and Graham Ralph discussing personal tragedy, judicial frustration and hopes for the future on a Road to Justice. 

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The JL boys recap the Road to Justice but before they can they are faced with yet more inconsistency and inadequacy while challenging the equity of this into the future.

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Sean and Daniel seek for some semblance of sanity between senselessness and insensitivity as they again deal with another moral speed hump on the Road to Justice.

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The JL boys discuss how a shocking driving history both predicts and repeats while facts and forensics are used to blame a driver killed in a fatal collision for his own death.

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Sean and Daniel bring a case where lives of children are lost, a legacy is severed and questions will always remain as no answers were given as to how this tragedy occurred.

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The JL boys are left with more questions than answers as history and precedence collide in a case where blatant intent to harm turns into a tragedy for the innocent.

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Sean and Daniel bring us a devastating case where reckless decisions take a life and questionable legal application sees one family seemingly lose it all time and again.

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As the JL boys round the bend and onto the Road to Justice there appears to be light, however their first tragic example of this shows we still have such a long road to hoe.

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Sean and Daniel discuss the continuing impact of Abigail’s case, legislative and judicial thrust and parry and parameters continually defined by a precedent paradox.

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 the JL boys provide us a good news update they return to their current concern; the confusion, calcification and lack of clarity of the charge, death by dangerous driving.

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Sean and Daniel deliver the account of the reckless and irresponsible act that became a precedent, a political provocation and breeds questionable legal justification to this day.

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As the JL boys kick off a new series on one of their mostly hotly debated topics they start by exploring why receiving all you are due by law is often misconstrued as special treatment.

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Sean and Daniel explore what happens when a lotus, a science fiction character and an entrepreneur combine to rebel and request that “may the force be reasonable with you”.

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The last one was a twist, now the JL boys return with a case that is simply twisted. In an example of abusing our trust in authority this one would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious.

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Sean and Daniel bring us a twist on the concept of hiding who you really are, and this time there isn’t even a misguided attempt at doing good, this one’s all about self interest.

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In this episode the JL boys discuss, debate and ultimately dictate their thoughts about the fine line that exists between the right, the wrong, the right way and the mistakenly righteous.

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After one of their most powerful episodes Sean and Daniel return with Brother B, to hear more of the impacts, intent and institutional change the Masked Brothers have endured and inspired.

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The JL boys offer us a precaution, this episode is raw, honest and bound to affect all who listen as they bring us an unexpected privilege, this is the man known as B in his own words.

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In this episode Sean and Daniel conclude their coverage of the Masked Brothers reflecting upon causes, their effect and the impact these two men have made far beyond themselves.

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The JL boys find themselves in a rollercoaster episode where vindication, vulnerability, validation and villainy embrace serendipity for a moment of pure humanity and empathy.

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As the Masked Brothers series continues Sean and Daniel discuss how an impulsive masked statement would now spawn a more strategic demonstration known as the Monsters Walk.

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The JL boys explore the moment an individual display of reclaiming personal power and agency would become the face of advocacy for so many, the birth of The Masked Brothers.

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Sean and Daniel begin their next series which promises to be one of the most meaningful in shaping our laws, events past and present and even the formation of the Just Lawful Podcast.

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The JL boys round out Covidiums as strange times would facilitate the strong ideals of anti-vaccination, a proposed government coup and sovereign citizenship to rise and intertwine.

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It’s round 2 of Covidiums and this time the JL boys bring us an example that involves isolation, fast food delivery, secret exotic sex enhancing substances and….. Sean singing?

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As the JL boys force new vernacular upon us they are faced with a situation where while the criminal act cannot be ignored, does its impetus offer some form of explanation? 

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This episode has it all. Twists, turns, loose ends tied up. New charges, convictions and challenges. Sean and Daniel find even the idea of Just and Lawful is a struggle in this one.

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The JL boys continue trying to separate fact from fallacy as this two-sided tale continues and differing versions of this young man’s mindset simply reposes the question, victim or villain?

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Even with a verdict delivered Sean and Daniel find there is still so much to be understood about this case including finally discovering the cause of the first trial that never existed.

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The JL boys are back and pick up where they left off with revelations of an internet search history that offers a unique insight into Wei Li’s actions in the days after his mother’s death.

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Sean and Daniel walk us through one of their most intriguing episodes ever as the accused takes the stand and while providing many answers they spawned only more questions. 

Differing accounts and contradicting reasons offered would cause JL boys to question all they thought knew so far and with yet another twist we seem still no closer to a resolution.

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As the JL boys start out this episode it seems to be a case “show and no tell” as we are teased with the set up and no reveal about why the first trial in this case never existed. 

It isn’t long before Sean and Daniel do get answers though as they unpack details of the trial and the incident, and continuely challenge our thinking from one moment to next.

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The JL boys start out this episode at a frenetic pace which appears to mirror the state of the newsroom as the news broke that Wei Li had been located and arrested at Sydney airport. 

And while Sean and Daniel begin to receive responses to so many unanswered questions these are then paralleled by the need for even more answers as even more questions arise.

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Sean and Daniel commence peeling back the first layers of this case via cultural sensitivities, constricted channels of communication and the ability to be concealed in foreign countries.

The JL boys once again challenge the thinking and potential bias of us all and the general populous of the time as well worn stereotypes play out in parallel of the telling of this tragedy.

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The JL boys begin their next series and before we even get into the case itself it becomes apparent that this one is going to be a challenge of our thinking and potential bias.

As Sean and Daniel begin we soon discover that an alleged murder is like a metaphorical pebble dropped into a pond where each ripple soon uncovers many more layers of intrigue.

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Sean puts Daniels and our listeners through their paces as it’s time for part two of our assessment and even if we achieved a part one pass mark how will we fare this time?

The JL boys continue to unpack this intriguing case where once you scratch the surface it continues to produce for more circumstance for consideration than appears at first glance.

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It’s assessment time as the JL boys take us all to school and test our knowledge, recollection and comprehension of all they covered and all we learned in the previous episodes about bail.

Sean asks the questions as Daniel does his best impersonation of a magistrate using a real bail application to test our understanding and provide twists and turns all of its own.

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In this episode Sean and Daniel discuss the harsh reality of how bail has affected our community, it’s recent history and the tragic impacts in a real life example of heartbreak.

The JL boys now deconstruct a “third layer” of circumstances, beyond innocent until proven guilty and taking a prosecution case at its highest, which preclude some to qualify for bail.

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As the JL boys continue to investigate and unpack all of the considerations involved in deciding if an alleged offender receives bail it doesn’t seem to be getting any simpler.

Sean discusses the feedback he has received that his previous comments have elicited as Daniel tries to comprehend the theoretical and practical elements of a paradox known as bail.

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Sean and Daniel tackle their next subject as they once again do their very best to unpack, educate on and demystify all of the elements, this time as they tackle the concept of bail

The JL boys examine all of the factors that make up something many of have heard of, yet likely don’t really know, including implications, iterations, regulations and considerations.

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The JL boys find themselves trying to prise fact from fiction as a history of friction is uncovered in this ongoing tale of sloshed drinks, turtlenecks and Harry Potter scars.

Sean and Daniel find an elevated level of levity in between navigating differing accounts of events, interstate restrictions and one witness always having a story, no matter the question. 

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The JL boys finally give us all an opportunity to exhale as they slide into a long needed palette cleanser and while the boys are a little more lighthearted this one is still no laughing matter.

Between politics alignments and proposed allegations Sean and Daniel attempt to unpick this tale where the circumstances certainly appear to be beneath civility and societal class.

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As the inspiring and informative conversation concludes between the JL boys and Steve and Jordan from JACET the mood shifts from pursuing offenders to protecting children in the future.

Both Sean and Daniel speak of their gratitude to share this conversation with the listeners before recapping all they’ve learned, a few surprises along the way and then what’s next.

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As the JL boys continue their conversation with Steve and Jordan from JACET, conversation moves into discussing some of the faces of Mt. Disgustmore and their involvement with them.

While Sean and Daniel are both fascinated and inspired by the difficult work done by all of the enforcement agencies involved they find there’s always a space for levity and a laugh.

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In this episode the JL boys bring us the first part of the first ever audio interview with the members of JACET as part of their promotion of the start of National Child Protection Week.

Sean and Daniel begin to learn about what it takes to do this work and they have their understanding on the focus of the role shifted from arresting offenders to rescuing victims.

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In this episode the JL boys wrestle with the concept of how is that the best truly equals the worst while reminding us that for every number discussed is also a victim who has been hurt.

Sean and Daniel reveal the 4th and final face to take its rightful place upon Mt Disgustmore and while each previous face set and broke records this one sets to surpass them all.

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As the JL boys begin to carve out the 2nd and 3rd faces of Mt Disgustmore we see how the extent of these crimes challenge how both law enforcement and the legal system responds.

While the depravity of this criminal behaviour creates unease for our community Sean and Daniel also provide a raw insight into the effects these cases have on them personally. 

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In this new series Sean and Daniel make good on an idea they promised us since the end of last year. That’s where the good ends however as they highlight the worst of the worst.

The JL boys begin carving out the first face of foul depravity that has broken records and proven for all the good our city has to offer we are living in the shadow of Mt. Disgustmore.

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As Sean and Daniel begin the conclusion of one of their most in-depth series it leads off with some of the most direct and decisive Judge’s comments they have encountered.

The heat doesn’t cool down as the JL boys unpack all of the fallout and determine that John Fleming ultimately placed himself in a position of “checkmate” all of his own making.

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It’s no joke as Sean and Daniel tell us the one about “three priests walk into a courtroom”. It gets no funnier however as defense witnesses have their stories queried and questioned.

The JL boys then take time out to check in on what they’ve felt, interpreted and considered about all they’ve heard and what they believe to be true based on the balance of probability.

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As the defense witnesses take the stand the JL boys quickly begin to comprehend the overall complexity of the contradictions, context and  considerations from the tales being tendered.

Sean and Daniel discuss the gaps and the inconsistencies of the stories being presented and unpack the importance of the specifics around terminology, perspective and morality.

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It’s cross examination time and the JL boys take us into the courtroom to witness as the back and forth, thrust and parry of contentions and contradictions come fast and frequent. 

Sean and Daniel discuss the next phase of this case while struggling with the concept of the trying to meet in the middle when it’s clearly evident there is no middle ground to be found.

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In this episode the JL boys find themselves examining and evaluating the opening salvo of evidence from John Fleming when he takes the stand as the defamation case now begins.

As Sean and Daniel begin that process they  also discuss Nigel’s last couple of articles and ponder the idea of not being held accountable for your actions in a previous employment.

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In this episode the JL boys encounter the fallout of when the "Embattled Strikes Back" and the continuing impacts of John Fleming’s defamation case against the Sunday Mail.

Sean and Daniel realise however there is even more to comprehend, from the balance of probabilities, complainants providing more information and even courtroom calisthenics.   

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In this episode we see progress made as perspectives are considered and the JL boys discuss the consequences and responses of from previously published news articles.

From college to Catholicism, assertions to investigations, a vexing disposition to a Vatican excursion, Sean and Daniel do their best as their bias is continually put to the test.

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The JL boys start to unpack the details of “Richard’s” assertions, the response from the clergy as well as a received response from John Fleming, well kind of, eventually, sort of.

Sean and Daniel then also discuss their red string theories, newsroom divides and ongoing investigations leaving The Advertiser to play catch up to the reporting of The Sunday Mail.

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While the JL boys continue to expand our vocabulary with terms such as complainants, assertions and the Consensus Gentium, this is merely the beginning of what we would learn.

Sean and Daniel discover that the simplicity of telling your story becomes extremely complex when forced to navigate the unknown and jump through the hoops of hidden protocols.

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With biases and opinions clearly established the JL boys now begin dissecting all of the elements of their next series. And oh boy are there many pieces to constructing this puzzle.

It’s information time again as Sean and Daniel introduce us to new vocabulary, another form of journalism, more suppression orders and this all merely the tip of the iceberg to come.

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Celebration time is over as Sean and Daniel jump straight into their next series and there is no backward step as they tackle one of those taboo topics you just don’t discuss, religion. 

In this unique and intriguing episode we hear the background, beliefs and biases of the JL boys and how they were shaped by their own religious experience, exposure and education.

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It’s a special event celebration as Sean and Daniel take a moment to recognise the achievement of reaching their 100th episode before providing some updates and reviews.

The JL boys cover some highlights, lowlights, insights make some wrongs right as they update us on some of the happenings in some of the biggest cases they’ve covered so far.

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Sean and Daniel offer their own perceptions and opinions of our current social climate and how the media and law intersects with fame, bananas, barbells and the public at large.

As this investigation into the she said/she said world of how social media has become the tools of the trade the JL boys do their best to separate this from the tools within this trade.

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Sean and Daniel delve into the world of social media, online influencing and what happens when civil litigation is launched between two lifestyle advocates with very different opinions.

From bananas to barbells, fitness empires to fruit fanatics all the way through to diets and defamation the JL boys investigate all the elements of this modern day muckraking.

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As far as conclusions go the most the JL boys can say in this case is that they have reached one. It would not, however, come before more final twists, turns and shocking revelations. 

Sean and Daniel recap this series in its entirety and struggle to comprehend if this outcome was just, lawful and ultimately if up to them, could they convict on the evidence tendered.

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As Sean and Daniel thought they were nearing the end of this case many more words would need to be spoken and fall in line before understanding how to construct this sentence.

The JL boys encounter a challenge answered, a plea for future leniency while courtroom mathematics equals 60 years and DNA makes a return before a surprise suspect is introduced.

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As this case continues Sean and Daniel begin the episode with the concept of finally reaching a conclusion and breaking down the complex process of returning a verdict.

The JL boys quickly learn how much there is to consider in getting to this verdict. And even after receiving this judgement there are still more twists and turns before we would have a conclusion.

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After determining if this would become a Section 269 case it seems Sean and Daniel are once again left unpicking the delicate strands of DNA and it’s importance to this trial.

The JL boys then set about unpacking the closing statements of both counsels, however before receiving a verdict the judge would issue one more challenge to the accused.

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In this episode the JL boys pause to consider all they have covered in this case so far and it’s effect on their thoughts around guilt, innocence, process and reasonable doubt.

Sean and Daniel also attempt to clarify concerns around the use of DNA only to be presented with a change in legal team before being confronted with a potential Section 269 case.

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Sean and Daniel have felt elements of doubt creep into this case however one part that made sense and remained intact was the DNA evidence. Now even that could be in doubt.

In this episode the JL boys reveal information that has only just come to light since this series began which both offers context and poses more potential doubt over this case.

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Sean and Daniel do their best to keep this case on track as they attempt to reconcile how is it that a defecating budgie and Nigerian cult leader have become part of this trial process.

In this episode the JL boys also get an answer to a defense request for a 6 month adjournment and $250,000 while they then scrutinise the questionable credibility of witness confessions.

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As this case continues on the JL boys start to uncover bizarre, and at times chilling, background and behaviours that make up the character of the accused Dieter Pfenning.

Sean and Daniel go in to try and untangle everything from the timelines of allowable evidence, how witness statements affect this case and the necessity of the removal of bias.

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From the tragic abduction from a bedroom to the tactical jousting of the courtroom the JL boys work their way through the back and forth of the prosecution and defense cases.

Sean and Daniel then discuss an acquittal not equaling innocence, a fascinating recreation of the event itself and finally a testimony that defies both comprehension and compassion.

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As the trial begins the JL boys would be audibly effected as they recount their first witness testimony providing an insight into Louise and a seemingly innocent childhood.

Sean and Daniel then take us through visiting the Bell home, walking the surrounding streets and experiencing the physical locations that would turn this folk lore tragedy into reality.

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When you get to the trial process you expect it to be a fairly routine set of events, however the JL boys would find out when 6 weeks turns into 10 months it’s anything other than routine.

Sean and Daniel now begin to realise that to understand what ‘one in a billion’ means there is so much more that needs to be examined and explored before that can be explained.

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Last episode we heard how a cold case and childhood folk-lore had set the psyche of the hometown of the JL boys and how their adult world be introduced to a real life Boogeyman.

Now Sean and Daniel move into uncovering the identity of the Boogeyman with a history and pattern of behaviours that seems to show a probability of guilt no less than one in a billion.

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The JL boys have always said they only cover cases that span Sean’s career as a journalist, then how is it that a 32 year old cold case has become the focus of their next investigation?

In the first episode of this series Sean and Daniel take us back to a time when a real life nightmare was their childhood folk-lore and how this would become part of their modern day.

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While Adelaide may not officially be “their” town just yet, there is no question to the impact and effect the JL boys have created in their hometown with their first two seasons.

Sean and Daniel are back for 2023 to discuss what they’ve been up to over the holiday period, keeping those in power on their toes and to update us on their plans for the future.

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Wait, there isn't supposed to be any more episodes this season. What do you mean Sean and Daniel snuck back into the studio and recorded a very special end of year episode?

Join the JL boys as they review the year that was, both on the show and in the community at large and give their opinions on exactly who has been naughty and nice in 2022.

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After the last couple of episodes where Sean and Daniel cover the updated details of the Hillier Triple murders they are rejoined by Steve Egberts to discuss his firsthand experiences.

Steve sits down with the JL boys and shares his feelings, frustrations, confusion, and criticism of recent events as well as his concerns for a future that hasn't learned from its past.  

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After the crest of the wave comes the fall. Sean and Daniel discuss how those closest to the Hillier tragedy would feel this fall as justification is excoriated in mere moments.

The JL boys cover a coroner’s findings, a press conference, a response from the DCP and an independent enquiry resulting in nothing more than frustration, confusion and dismay.

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When Sean and Daniel first took us to Hillier they discussed one of their most disturbing cases. Now they return to update us on what’s happened in the aftermath of this tragedy.

From a coronial enquiry and an independent review, the JL boys discover what did and did not occur as well as where does responsibility ultimately lie for the mistakes that were made.

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Once the trial process concludes, reporting the facts about the facets of a case should be common place. As Sean and Daniel would find however, this one was not exactly common. 

With a number of wrinkles still to be ironed out, the JL boys navigate insinuations, incidents and injunctions as they discuss how others attempted to stop rest of this story being told.

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After the back and forth of the prosecution, Sean and Daniel sift through the fallout as the case for the defense begins with yet another example of this continuing power struggle. 

While not obligated, Norman Hoy takes the stand to defend his actions, however the JL boys discover it’s what is not heard in court that leads to yet another unexpected twist.

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While a picture may tell a thousand words, Sean and Daniel consider how much of a picture can be painted from the words of the real-time recording of the incident at hand.

In this episode as the prosecution case is presented the JL boys quickly realise that neither side is willing to recognise the others’ story as proven, plausible or even palatable.

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As this next series begins it becomes apparent that Sean and Daniel aren’t quite sure about this case. While the facts are all there it’s more a question of how did it get to this point at all?

This episode sees the beginning of what would become a power struggle that has the JL boys calling out their own biases while attempting to remain objective as the accusations fly.

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From American football and cartoons to our courtrooms and changing penalties, Sean and Daniel certainly run the gamut as they tackle the topics you wanted to know about.

This episode sees the JL boys intrigued, amused, challenged and impressed by the questions you posed and share their thoughts on everything that captured your curiosity.

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Often Sean and Daniel find themselves trying to make sense of our legal landscape and pondering if the laws of our past are still adequate to deal with the crimes of today.  

In this episode the JL boys highlight examples of existing laws being applied with consideration and foresight to ensure they indeed meet the requirements of the modern day.

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When an accused opts for a jury trial they accept the verdict delivered will determine their fate. Sean and Daniel, however, look at when the right process somehow gets it wrong.

The JL boys explore the power of the judicial system as even when an apparent mistake is challenged by a higher authority it is ultimately adjudicated as being correctly incorrect.

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Pirjo Kemppainen never deserved the last horrific moments of her life. Sean and Daniel contemplate if she has received the justice she deserved from the trials of A and B.

The JL boys are then left grappling with ongoing community impacts including guaranteed anonymity for both accused and even the looming possibility of freedom for B.

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While courtroom conjecture is nothing new, the  Pirjo Kemppainen trial would have Sean and Daniel discussing the process and procedure as much as the evidence and judicial equity.

The JL boys provide a firsthand account from inside the courtroom as the back and forth of this debate may ultimately decide the fate of the second teenager accused of this crime.

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With a case that proves to be beyond almost anything covered so far, this one comes with a content warning as Sean and Daniel attempt to understand the how and why of the Pirjo Kemppainen murder.

Listen in as the JL boys take you inside the courtroom where prosecution advises that the entirety of their case relies on the evidence of a disturbing, convicted teenage murderer.

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Sean and Daniel previously outlined the tragic backdrop of this case and as troubling as that was to comprehend the complexity of seeking justice for this crime had only just begun.

With one guilty plea already gained it is now a baffling back and forth of sentence lengths, charges and court proceedings that have the JL boys with more questions than answers.

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Throughout this series Sean and Daniel have contemplated how our legal system handles those considered a “minor” that have committed the most “major” of crimes.

Tonight the JL boys start to unpack an example of the most major of crimes, committed by a minor described by Sean as the most disturbing offender he’d ever encountered. 

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While you apparently can’t judge a book by its cover Sean and Daniel discover that for some a well crafted fairytale may just provide a change in the way that sentences are formed.

Between bargains and deals and laws due to age the JL boys try to follow how an initially described definite massacre plot would seem to become no more than adolescent musings

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Machetes and knives and bear-claws, oh my. As Sean and Daniel embark upon this episode it is immediately obvious that this is far from being any sort of feel good children’s fantasy.

The JL boys investigate the backstory of both “The Blacksmith” and ”The Diarist” as well as the details of their proposed plot that was thankfully foiled before it could be carried out.

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In their last episode Sean and Daniel gave us an in depth education on the complexities surrounding the divisive intersection that is youth offending attracting adult punishments. 

In this episode the JL boys recount real examples, highlighting what happens when the theoretical learnings of the classroom meet the practical application within the courtroom.

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The JL boys kick off their next series and while they’ve debated the sentencing process before they up the ante by looking at the complexity of youth sentencing for serious “adult” crimes.

Sean and Daniel deep dive into the rules, regulations, legislation and leeway's around adjudicating young offenders in an adult court for crimes that attract adult punishments.

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