Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime

In this eye-opening episode of Dirty Money Moves Jami interviews Debbie Lindstrom, sister of Tracii Hutsona. Join us as Debbie provides insight on her childhood and potential early signs of who Tracii would become as an adult. With a professional background in Psychology, Debbie sheds light on the psychological elements that may be at play in her sister’s story. Debbie also shares what it was like to come from a narcissistic family and the impact of her being scapegoated. During this insightful conversation, Jami draws a parallel from Debbie’s familial experience to that of the Menendez family. The insights Debbie provided during this interview are very illuminating and helpful in understanding more about Tracii Hutsona and her criminal behavior.  Sponsors: BetterHelp: Visit BetterHelp.com/DMM to get 10% off your first month of therapy. Follow host, Jami Rice, @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok to keep up with this case and other true crime cases on which she’s providing commentary. Check out Jami’s other true crime podcast, MURDERISH, which is available in all podcast apps. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers are: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Sources are available at MURDERISH.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode Jami interviews Loriann Hart, a former close friend of Tracii Hutsona’s for many years. When it seemed Tracii and her family might be without housing, Loriann allowed them to live in her palatial guest house for free. According to Loriann, Tracii repaid the generous favor by inviting questionable guests over to the home and attempting to seduce Loriann’s then husband. Unaware of Tracii’s criminal past, Loriann grew incredibly close to the convicted felon who was a master of manipulation. Loriann shares her experience being a close friend of Tracii’s and how it all ended after years of lies and manipulation.  Follow host, Jami Rice, @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok to keep up with this case, and others. Check out Jami’s other true crime podcast, MURDERISH, available in all podcast apps. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers are: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna Research and Writing by: Gina Mazzolini If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Sources are available at MURDERISH.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In February 2023, Tracii Hutsona was sentenced to 51 months in Federal Prison for her crimes against Joumana Kidd, and given until April 13th to voluntarily turn herself in to the US Marshals. She ended up turning herself in on March 20th, about a month early, to the prison camp at FCI Phoenix. At first glance, it might seem that Tracii was eager to take responsibility for her actions and start serving her well deserved sentence.  In this week’s episode, we’ll wrap up this story by bringing you up to speed on where things stand today. I’ll walk you through the REAL reasons Tracii turned herself in early. We’ll take a look at Tracii’s first-hand account of life in federal prison through her blog, and we’ll cover the different motions she filed in the hopes of reducing her time. Will this story end with Tracii serving out her 51 month punishment as the Court intended? Or, will she manage to find a workaround and get her sentence reduced? Sponsor: Betterhelp.com/DMM to get 10% off your first month of therapy Follow host, Jami Rice, @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok to keep up with this case, and others. Check out Jami’s other true crime podcast, MURDERISH, available in all podcast apps. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers are: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna Research and Writing by: Gina Mazzolini If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Sources are available at MURDERISH.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On July 17, 2019, The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon aired on NBC. Four minutes into Jimmy’s opening monologue, he made reference to a real-life lawsuit that seemed too ridiculous to be true: the owners of a Miami restaurant, called Bacon Bitch, were suing the owners of a San Diego restaurant called Breakfast Bitch. He joked that it would be the first case ever where the judge would say “how do you bitches plead?” The live audience erupted in laughter at the sheer absurdity of it. But, in reality, the situation wasn’t funny at all. The owner of Bacon Bitch, Chris Viso, was suing Tracii Hutsona for trademark infringement. While the whole situation might have seemed insignificant to most, it was yet another example of Tracii taking something that didn’t belong to her. The restaurants were getting national attention thanks to Jimmy Fallon, but no one knew the extent of the violations, the decades of fraud and thievery Tracii had under her belt. Not to mention the fact she was actively stealing over a million dollars from Joumana Kidd, some of which was even used to open Breakfast Bitch. It would still be another year and a half before Tracii was arrested for any of that. By that time, she will have already opened a second restaurant, been sued at least twice, and moved from one multi million dollar home to the next. Infuriatingly, even after she was arrested, Tracii continued to live a consequence-free lifestyle for years, flaunting herself and her business all over social media as if nothing had happened.  In this week’s episode we’ll talk about how Breakfast Bitch came to be, and we’ll weave through all the ridiculous things Tracii did after she was arrested, right up to her sentencing. Would she ever be able to accept responsibility for her actions? Or, in the ultimate act of manipulation, would she attempt to avoid accountability by shifting the blame onto Joumana Kidd? Spoiler alert: it’s the latter! Follow host, Jami Rice, @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok to keep up with this case, and others. Check out Jami’s other true crime podcast, MURDERISH. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers are: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna Research and Writing by: Gina Mazzolini If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Sources are available at MURDERISH.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In January 2007 NBA star point guard for the New Jersey Nets, Jason Kidd, filed for divorce from his wife: actress and journalist Joumana Kidd. What followed was an extremely messy, and very public end to their 10 year marriage. Fast forward 8 years to 2015, Joumana decided it was a good time to move back to her home state of California. As she was preparing to go to Los Angeles to do some house hunting, she got a phone call from her doctor that would completely change her life in more ways than one. Joumana had breast cancer and would need to undergo surgery and radiation. Little did Joumana know, this terrifying diagnosis would also be an invitation for Tracii Hutsona to casually waltz into her life. In this week’s episode, I’ll walk you through the tangled web of reality and fiction Tracii weaved in an attempt to propel herself back into the spotlight of fame and fortune that she’d been chasing since childhood …or at least the illusion of it. From her VIP concierge company, to a YouTube reality show, to social media posts dripping with diamonds, and even a foray into the restaurant business, Tracii pulled out all the stops this time. Even after getting caught scamming, again, she’d still managed to keep it all going for years. How many people would Tracii steal from and exploit before finally being held accountable? And how could she borrow her way into a single mother’s life, while she battled breast cancer, and rip her off for millions? Follow host, Jami Rice, @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok to keep up with this case, and others. Check out Jami’s other true crime podcast, MURDERISH. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers are: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna Research and Writing by: Gina Mazzolini If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Sources are available at MURDERISH.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s September 2008 and Tracii Hutsona has been out on bond for the last 10 months. By this time, the original indictment has been superseded twice, adding numerous charges for the schemes she pulled at several staffing agencies. Tracii has also been evicted from her $1.5 million Orange County, CA home for failing to pay over $30,000 in rent, but Jacqueline Ellman didn’t know any of this. If she had, she probably would’ve never become close friends with Tracii. Now, Jacqueline was holding the bill for a credit card in her name that she’d never seen before, and she had a sneaking suspicion Tracii had something to do with it. She sent Tracii a text message asking her about it. Tracii called back and tearfully admitted to the fraud, telling Jacqueline that she had a problem, but she was trying to be better. In reality, Tracii had opened not one, but TWO cards in Jacqueline's name, and used her existing cards without permission. She also attempted to rent an apartment in her so-called friend’s name. Unbelievably, Jacqueline wasn’t even the only “friend” that Tracii was taking advantage of during this time. In this week’s episode we’ll explore how, even though Tracii touted herself as an advocate for women and social justice, it was women whom she chose to victimize, women who were close friends, whom she exploited at seemingly every turn. We’ll also follow Tracii through another round of federal charges, sentencing, and prison time. Will she emerge a changed and rehabilitated woman? Or, will she continue her pattern of manipulating anyone who dared offer her a little bit of grace? Follow host, Jami Rice, @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok to keep up with this case, and others. Check out Jami’s other true crime podcast, MURDERISH. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers are: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna Research and Writing by: Gina Mazzolini If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Sources are available at MURDERISH.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tracii Hutsona is so persuasive that she was able to convince a car dealership that she needed an expensive, fancy car for Arnold Schwarzenegger to drive. As a testament to her level of con artistry, she got the car! Tracii, however, maintains that this story isn’t true, that stories about her criminal history are merely exaggerations to make her look bad. She’s also highly offended at being labeled a con artist, even though the judge who sentenced her in 2023 called her a serial con artist. Tracii worked tirelessly to change the perspective and shift blame in order to keep her schemes going. In this episode, we take a look at some of Tracii’s schemes from the last 30 plus years, and how she carried on a double life in order to constantly project an image of wealth and success, seemingly without regard for how her actions affected everyone around her. We’ll find out if what Tracii says has any merit: has her past been sensationalized in order to make her look bad? Or, is she trying to downplay her criminal history in an effort to control the narrative in a classic con artist move? Follow host, Jami Rice, @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok to keep up with this case, and others. Check out Jami’s other true crime podcast, MURDERISH. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna Research and Writing by: Gina Mazzolini If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Sources are available at MURDERISH.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s early February, 2021 in Phoenix Arizona. Federal agents have been on the hunt for Tracii Hutsona, a woman wanted on charges of wire fraud and aggravated identity theft for stealing more than $1 million from her cancer-stricken, single mother of three employer. Tracii’s motive: she needed funding for her lavish lifestyle. Agents find Tracci at her restaurant “Breakfast Bitch.” She tried to run but the chase was short-lived. News cameras captured the aftermath of the arrest with Tracii locked in handcuffs as she stood outside of her company car. Tracii’s arrest shocked many of her friends and employees, who had no idea Tracii had spent much of the previous 30 years in and out of prison or on probation or parole for stealing and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to support a lavish lifestyle she’d been chasing her entire life. She’d racked up a slew of scams and schemes, leaving a trail of victims in her wake. Tracii has a magnetic personality and is easy to like, but hidden underneath her million dollar smile lies a remarkable ability to persuade those around her to believe anything she needs them to. Her own family, her friends, and her victims have all described Tracii as a pathological liar; a lifelong con artist who is exceptionally good at what she does. So what happened in the course of Tracii’s life to lead her to this one very public moment, handcuffed on the Phoenix evening news for all to see? How does someone become a refined con artist …an exemplary liar? Is it an innate ability …or something that’s learned throughout a lifetime? Or …maybe it’s a little bit of both? Follow host, Jami Rice, @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok to keep up with this case, and others. Check out Jami’s other true crime podcast, MURDERISH. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna Research and Writing by: Gina Mazzolini If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Sources are available at MURDERISH.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime is BACK! In Season 3, we’re deep diving into the case involving Tracii Hutsona, a self-described “winner” who appeared to have it all: successful businesses, multimillion dollar mansions, luxury cars, and plenty of cash to spend on high end jewelry and vacations. She’s an intriguing woman who’s had a lengthy acting and modeling career, one that saw her on the cover of several major magazines, including Italian Vogue. She also had alleged romantic ties to Keanu Reeves. But the facts of Tracii’s life that make her so intriguing, are also the facts we’re checking and not much about Tracii seems to be real, except maybe her abilities as a con artist. Most recently, she made headlines for embezzling more than $1 million from Joumana Kidd, actress and ex wife of NBA star Jason Kidd, via Tracii’s luxury concierge business. Tracii opened a restaurant in San Diego, fittingly called “Breakfast Bitch,” which was funded, in part, by Joumana’s money. These recent crimes may have grabbed all the media attention, but they are by no means Tracii’s first run-ins with the law. She’s had a long history of schemes, going back 30 years. Yet, the most shocking thing about Tracii isn't the dollar amount she’s managed to steal over the years, but the way in which she victimizes the people closest to her, over and over again. This is the story of an extremely charismatic woman who can manipulate even the most savvy person into believing exactly what she needs them to, all in the pursuit of a lifestyle of luxury, glamor, and self-indulgence. By the end of this season, you might be surprised as to how all of this chaos plays out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Jami Rice speaks with Dr. Joni E. Johnston, a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist, author and private investigator. Together, they discuss the Tara Lee adoption scam case as well as Tara’s intense lack of empathy and toxic manipulation of adoptive parents and birth parents.  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram and TikTok. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s other podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Jami Rice speaks with Teresa Matheny, a survivor of Tara Lee’s adoption scandal. Teresa opened up about all of the hoops she had to jump through to get the baby she was promised from Tara Lee, which almost didn’t happen. She also walks Jami through how she met Tara, and how she discovered that she was a con artist running adoption scams. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram and TikTok. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s other podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Attorneys Talia Goetting & Tonya Corrado worked with Tara for a time. They were actually about to go into business with her when everything came to a screeching halt. Talia and Tonya began noticing red flags, and soon enough, they were working with the FBI to take Tara down. In this episode, you’ll hear directly from Talia and Tonya about their experience working with Tara, and how everything went down once they became suspicious of her.  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram and TikTok. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s other podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tara Lee had the opportunity to quietly do her prison time and follow through on the court’s orders, but she just couldn’t do it. Tara began making statements that she was innocent; she didn’t complete the victim impact statement recordings as ordered by the court; and she began filing appeals to have her conviction vacated, all of which kept her firmly in the Detroit headlines.  So, where does Tara’s case stand now? Have Tara’s victims been able to move on since her incarceration? Is there anything people who are looking to adopt can do to protect themselves from falling victim to predators like Tara? What even drives someone to behave the way Tara did? Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram and TikTok. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s other podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tara Lee’s sentence hearing was attended by dozens of her victims, many of whom traveled great distances to see her be punished. They sobbed while giving statements to the court about how Tara hurt them. Some people even addressed Tara directly.  It wasn’t only adoptive families speaking, birth mothers and fathers, people who had their children taken from them without their consent all made their voices heard. Victim statements were given for over six hours, each person demanding justice for their broken families. Tara even spoke to the court, but would the judge be swayed by Tara’s emotional apology? Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram and TikTok. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s other podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tara Lee told horrible lies about birth mothers being murdered, babies dying during childbirth, or mothers deciding to keep their babies when, in reality ..there wasn’t a mother or baby at all. Thanks to the efforts of several adoptive parents and the lawyers who worked with Tara, the FBI was notified and given a ton of information to go on as they began investigating her. The FBI also identified a woman who helped Tara pull off some of her schemes and as it turned out, this wasn’t her first rodeo either. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram and TikTok. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s other podcast MURDERISH.   Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tara Lee and her husband Jeremy were in financial ruin. They had lost another home to foreclosure, and Tara’s wages were still being heavily garnished. There was another bankruptcy, the purchase of another, larger home, a new car, and they adopted two babies between 2012 and 2014.   During all of her financial woes, Tara established Always Hope and it appeared to be a successful, legit adoption agency… until a phone call from a woman in late 2018 changed everything. Sponsors: Prose: That’s prose.com/DIRTYMONEY for your FREE in-depth hair consultation and 15% off. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram and TikTok. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH.  Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last week’s episode covered Tara Lee’s extensive history of fraud and the numerous civil judgments that had been levied against her, which dramatically affected her finances for years to come. And by the time 2014 rolled around, there were a few more financial setbacks. Even so, it seemed like Tara made some positive steps toward changing her life: she’d gone to school, gotten a degree, and was trying to take control of her finances by working multiple jobs, one of which was in the legal field. But, like she wrote in her blog in 2017, the Lord had other plans for her. Those plans would absolutely change Tara’s life, and destroy countless others in the process. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram and TikTok. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH.  Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In season two of Dirty Money Moves, Jami’s taking you along on a deep dive into a woman with an expensive taste for luxury jewelry and accessories, who satisfied her desires by taking money from the vulnerable and disadvantaged; a woman who preyed on the hopes and dreams of hundreds of desperate people, destroying countless families for generations to come. Tara Lee is a con artist of the worst kind, whose cruelty knew no limits. Sponsors:  Prose: Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to prose.com/DIRTYMONEY. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini.  Emily Crain does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH.  Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, host of Life After MLM podcast Roberta Blevins joins Jami to end the mini-series on Beachbody. Together, they chat about the manipulation of MLMs and how just because you’re selling lipstick and shakes, it’s still very culty and there are repercussions. Plus, Roberta reveals some of the experiences she’s had pre and post MLM.   Sponsors: Stamps.com: Get a 4-week trial, plus free postage, and a free digital scale fromStamps.com. Just click the microphone at the top of the page, and enter code DIRTYMONEY. Prose: Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go toprose.com/DIRTYMONEY. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the last episode, Jami talked about Beachbody’s highly sought after and controversial shake brand, Shakeology, and whether there’s any magic to them …or if they’re just an expensive snack. This week, Jami discusses Beachbody “coaches” and how they use problematic sales tactics to get more people to join their MLM company. Sponsor- Prose: Visit prose.com/DIRTYMONEY for your FREE in-depth hair consultation and 15% off. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Jami talks about Beachbody’s favorite meal replacement drink...Shakeology. Are these shakes a healthy weight loss tool, or are they more of a problematic, restrictive eating tool?  Where things get very dicey is when Beachbody “coaches,” who don’t have any health or nutrition expertise, are touting the product as being a nutritious meal replacement and a proper weight loss tool, with NO outside studies to back up those claims. This raises the question …is Shakeology a proper meal replacement or just a pricey snack? Sponsors: Framebridge: Get started today - frame your photos or give someone the perfect gift. Go to Framebridge.com and place your order today.  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Now that we’ve wrapped our mini series on Gwen Shamblin, we’re bringing you another one. In this mini series, we’re tackling an enterprise many of you are probably familiar with. Multi-level marketing companies, or MLMs.  Specifically Beachbody, an MLM that offers the girlboss dream …financial independence, working from home and being your own boss. But, you know that old saying “if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.”  Sponsor:  Stamps.com: Visit Stamps.com and use promo code DIRTYMONEY for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial, free postage, and a free digital scale. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Emily Hanks, host of She Speaks Bravo podcast, joins Jami to end the mini-series on Gwen Shamblin Lara. Together, they chat about the registered dietician turned church leader and her shocking demise. Sponsors: Framebridge: Frame your photos or send someone the perfect gift today at Framebridge.com Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What began as a normal private plane flight with Gwen, Joe and their inner circle of friends turned out to be a short-lived devastating end. With Gwen Shamblin Lara out of the picture, who will take over the reins of Remnant Fellowship? Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

At Remnant Fellowship, Gwen Shamblin Lara taught members to be completely obedient to their husbands and church leaders, and that their children should also be completely obedient to them. It’s the last point that ultimately led to the death of Remnant Fellowship member, 8-year-old Josef Smith. Sponsors: Green Chef- That’s GreenChef.com/dirtymoney135 and use code dirtymoney135 to get $135 off across five boxes – With your first box shipped free!  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Before Gwen Shamblin Lara became the all-mighty and adored church leader, dietician, and healer behind the “Weigh Down Workshop,” she was just your average church-going wife married to her average church-going husband. But what happened once she met a new man and decided to throw the last 40 years of her marriage away? Sponsors: Framebridge- Go to Framebridge.com and use promo code DIRTYMONEY to save an additional 15% off your first order Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our second mini series covers dietician turned cult leader, Gwen Shamblin Lara, the woman who started the “Weigh Down Diet” and then created a hypnotic following at her self-made church, Remnant Fellowship. Remnant Fellowship faced accusations of being a cult that promoted child abuse and praying one’s way to being thin. But there is so much more to this bizarre story than just what meets the eye.  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, host of She Speaks Bravo podcast, Emily Hanks joins Jami to talk about our favorite problematic housewife Jen Shah. Emily and Jami also gush about all of their favorite Bravo shows they hate-watch including Summer House, Below Deck, Flipping Out and more! Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, host of So Bad It’s Good podcast, Ryan Bailey joins Jami to talk about Jen Shah, the self-described Queen Bee and MVP of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Ryan and Jami give updates on Jen Shah’s case, opinionated hot-takes, and reactions to her suddenly pleading guilty after shouting from the rooftops that she was innocent. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

MURDERISH is a true crime podcast that delves into true stories of murder, disappearances and other creepy events. Also featured on the podcast are in-depth interviews with high-profile people in the true crime community. This podcast will take you on a deep-dive journey through interesting cases, beginning the date of the crime and ending with the courtroom verdict.  In this episode, host Jami Rice talks about the abrupt disappearance of the McStay family. When Joseph and Summer McStay, along with their two toddlers, went missing from their California home in February of 2010 no one knew what to think. Several aspects of the investigation left behind a great deal of unanswered questions. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research, writing and producing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jen and her first assistant, Stuart Smith, had previously teamed up to scam people by offering fake products and services through their telemarketing company. But now the two are facing over 30 years in prison. How is everything going to shake out at their upcoming trials? And who can they trust going forward?  Sponsors: Osea- Get 10% off your first order sitewide with promo code DIRTYMONEY. That’s OSEAmalibu.com promo code DIRTYMONEY. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research, writing and producing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last week on the Dirty Money Moves mini series, we introduced you to Jen Shah …the self-described Queen Bee of Bravo’s hit reality show, The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and her #1 assistant, Stuart Smith. But what were Jen and Stuart REALLY up to for the last decade? Their lucrative telemarketing business would eventually get a lot of attention, but not the kind that anyone wants! Sponsors: Daily Harvest- That’s dailyharvest.com/dirtymoney for up to forty dollars off your first box! Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research, writing and producing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our first mini series covers a well known reality TV star whose lavish lifestyle is prominently featured on Bravo’s hit tv series, The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. If you’re a reality tv fan, you guessed it! We’re diving into Jen Shah, the self-described Queen Bee and MVP of the show. But, as the world saw playout on Season 2 of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, no amount of fur coats and Gucci bags can keep even the Queen Bee safe from the feds.  Sponsors: oseamalibu.com, promo code DIRTYMONEY. GreenChef.com/dirtymoney135 and use code dirtymoney135 to get $135 off across five boxes—and your first box ships free! Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media.  Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna.  Research and writing by Devin Ruskin. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode.  Josh Cooke composed the music and Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding our Season 1 case, involving Mary Carole McDonnell, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Dirty Money Moves, Jami gives some background information on how the podcast came to be. Plus, she recaps some of her thoughts on the story now that we’ve had a chance to digest all of the information uncovered during Season One of the podcast.  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Emily Crain did the audio mixing and editing for this episode. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding this case, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

MURDERISH is a true crime podcast that delves into true stories of murder, disappearances and other creepy events. Also featured on the podcast are in-depth interviews with high-profile people in the true crime community. This podcast will take you on a deep-dive journey through interesting cases, beginning the date of the crime and ending with the courtroom verdict. In this episode, host Jami Rice was only 18 years old, about to graduate from high school, when an innocent trip to the grocery store turned into a night she would never forget. She came home to find a stranger in her bedroom.  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Sean Bannon did the audio mixing and editing for this episode. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding this case, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Jami speaks with Kevin Barry who formerly worked for Bellum Entertainment. Like other former Bellum workers, Kevin began to notice red flags at the company and then he witnessed the “House of Cards” fall. Kevin provided great insight on what it was like to work for a TV production company that was being operated by Mary Carole McDonnell who constantly lied, failed to pay workers, and ultimately caused the demise of Bellum Entertainment. During our conversation, Kevin explains why Mary Carole made his “skin crawl” and also a very cringeworthy moment he endured upon first meeting Dr. Jeffrey Nilles, Mary Carole’s husband. At the end of this episode, Jami provides an update on the Mary Carole McDonnell story, as well as what’s next for Dirty Money Moves. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Sean Bannon did the audio mixing and editing for this episode. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding this case, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes/scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Jami is joined by Dr. Shiloh and Dr. Scott, Forensic Psychologists and Hosts of LA Not So Confidential podcast. Dr. Shiloh and Dr. Scott broke down topics such as narcissism, psychopathy, machiavellianism and SO much more.  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Sean Bannon did the audio mixing and editing for this episode. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding this case, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes / scams. MACH-IV test: To take the MACH-IV test, which measures the machiavellianism trait, visit https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/MACH-IV/. DISCLAIMER: This test is offered for educational interest use only. It is not a substitute for psychological help of any kind and should not be used to inform any real life decisions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Dirty Money Moves, Jami is joined by Johnathan Walton, TV Producer and Host of Queen of the Con podcast. Like Dirty Money Moves, Queen of the Con is also a podcast about female con artists. Johnathan’s Season 1 con artist, Mair Smith, shares a lot of similarities with Mary Carole McDonnell …including the fact that both women falsely claimed to be an heiress. The parallels between them are uncanny. You do NOT want to miss this episode.  Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Sean Bannon did the audio mixing and editing for this episode. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding this case, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes / scams.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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In this episode of Dirty Money Moves I speak with Gina Mazzolini, the researcher and writer for Dirty Money Moves. I walked Gina through what it was like working at the bank when the Mary Carole debacle happened. Gina and I also discuss Mary Carole’s childhood, professional career in the tv business, some of her shady associates, and how she managed to get her hands on close to $50 million through elaborate scams …and then disappear.  Sponsors: Smartass & Sass- Subscribe at www.smartassandsass.com and use code DIRTYMONEY for 15% off your first subscription Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Sean Bannon did the audio mixing and editing for this episode. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding this case, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes / scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Dirty Money Moves, we speak to Brian Testa, who previously worked for Mary Carole McDonnell and Bellum Entertainment. Brian shares his experience of working at Bellum and the steps he’s taken to investigate Mary Carole since Bellum came crashing down. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Sean Bannon did the audio mixing and editing for this episode. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com and send us a message if you have information to share regarding this case, or if you would like to suggest a case for us to cover on the podcast. We’re interested in investigating cases involving women who have committed white collar crimes / scams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For the last six weeks we’ve tried to uncover the truth about who Mary Carole McDonnell is, how she was shaped during her childhood, and what factors contributed to the woman she became: a woman with a grandiose self-image; a master manipulator who constantly lied in order to get what she wanted; a woman with NO regard for who she hurt along the way. Mary Carole cared about one thing and one thing only: money. But the main question on everyone’s mind is…where is Mary Carole McDonnell? This episode is sponsored by Smartass and Sass. Subscribe at www.smartassandsass.com and use code DIRTYMONEY for 15% off your first subscription Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Matt Provenzano does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the last episode, we went over all of the loans, merchant agreements, and investments that Mary Carole McDonnell was able to get her hands on, beginning in 2007 and stretching through 2018. So what recourse has there been for all the people and institutions Mary Carole has scammed into loaning her money or investing in her fake family trust? 2017 marked the first year of lawsuits against her. That year at least twenty civil lawsuits were filed against Mary Carole and Bellum Entertainment, ranging from employees seeking unpaid wages, to banks trying to recoup their millions. Every year since, more and more lawsuits have been filed...over fifty in total. But while the lawsuits are rolling in, Mary Carole has never appeared in court for any of them. This episode is sponsored by StoryWorth. You can save $10 on your first purchase when you go to StoryWorth.com/DIRTYMONEY Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Matt Provenzano does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last episode was all about how Mary Carole McDonnell and her attorney Barry Rothman allegedly worked together to scam Banc of California out of nearly $15 million dollars. And, we found out that it apparently was not their first time pulling this hustle together. To top it all off, Barry unexpectedly died on the evening of March 9th after a dental procedure earlier that day. Many of us at the bank thought there was a chance that Mary Carole may have had something to do with Barry’s death because he knew too much about the alleged scam. His death, while extremely suspicious at first thought, turned out not to be nefarious. In this episode we dive deeper into how and when Mary Carole got her hands on millions of dollars from loans, friends, and colleagues. The amount of money the “heiress” was able to secure through deception is absolutely staggering.  Sponsors: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Go to betterhelp.com/dirtymoney for 10% off your first month of therapy Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Matt Provenzano does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the previous episode of Dirty Money Moves, we learned about Barry Rothman, Mary Carole’s infamous entertainment lawyer and longtime associate. We also learned that he and Mary Carole had something in common…unbelievable financial troubles. Barry also operated a complex network of foreign bank accounts and Panamanian shell companies, which he allegedly used to hide certain assets. This was the person Mary Carole aligned herself with in 2017 as Bellum Entertainment fell apart. She found herself in desperate need of a ton of money to fend off creditors, and Barry was the man she turned to for help. Shockingly, Mary Carole was so brazen, that she baked homemade pies for bank employees and hand delivered them, just before she pulled off the biggest money grab of her crooked career. That, and Barry would be dead before the bank even realized they’d been scammed. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Go to betterhelp.com/dirtymoney for 10% off your first month of therapy Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Matt Provenzano does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH. Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the last episode of Dirty Money Moves, we explained how Mary Carole’s antics were exposed by Channel 2 News. We also described how Mary Carole managed to get her hands on a few million dollars through a “gifting” program connected to her family trust that she claimed was worth millions. By 2017, Mary Carole’s flagship company, Bellum Entertainment, was crumbling. She owed individuals and institutions millions of dollars. But, in the face of mounting lawsuits and creditors breathing down her neck, Mary Carole didn’t seem to flinch. Instead, she got together with her lawyer friend, Barry Rothman, who had a colorful past and ties to one of Hollywood’s most infamous scandals involving pop icon Michael Jackson. The two of them worked out a plan to get even more cash and this time around, Mary Carole was going BIG. Through lies and false documents, Mary Carole shockingly got her hands on almost $15 million from Banc of California. And by the time Mary Carole likely began enjoying the fruit of her multi million dollar swindle, Barry would drop dead before the FBI could even question him about the bank scam.  This episode is sponsored by Storyworth. Visit Storyworth.com/dirtymoney for $10 off your first purchase. Follow us @DirtyMoneyMoves on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. If you enjoy Dirty Money Moves, please leave us a positive rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive producers are Jami Rice and Sim Sarna. Research and writing by Gina Mazzolini. Matt Provenzano does the audio mixing and editing. Josh Cooke composed the music. Brian Stefanik created the podcast cover art. If you’re into true crime podcasts, check out Jami’s podcast MURDERISH.  Visit murderish.com for a list of sources used for this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Mary Carole parlays a television career into the creation of her own flagship business, Bellum Entertainment. Bellum earned apparent success through nationally syndicated true crime shows, but a closer look would reveal unpaid loans, bounced checks, and misclassifying employees as independent contractors to avoid tax responsibilities. Was Bellum the victim of bank fraud, as Mary Carole claimed, or was the success of the company a house of cards? Listen to find out. You won't want to miss this.  Follow us on social media @DirtyMoneyMoves. Check out MURDERISH, a True Crime podcast, hosted by Jami Sources for this episode can be found at murderish.com.  Today’s Sponsor:  BetterHelp- Special offer for Dirty Money Moves listeners: get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/DIRTYMONEY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Enter “the heiress,” Mary Carole McDonnell, who managed to hustle Banc of California out of $15 million. But that money grab, as it turns out, was not her first. In this episode, Jami digs into Mary Carole’s past and discovers a strange career path that was peppered with financial misconduct. Jami explores Mary Carole’s upbringing, the tragic death of her sister, and some of the factors that may have motivated her to reinvent herself on a foundation of lies. If she wasn’t the heiress to the McDonnell Douglas fortune as she claimed, then who was she really? This episode peels back the first layer of that onion, so you don’t want to miss it. Today’s Sponsor -  BetterHelp - Special offer for Dirty Money Moves listeners: get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/DIRTYMONEY Sources: https://www.nexttv.com/news/exclusive-mcdonnell-departing-raycom-focus-bellum-133160 www.law360.com/insurance-authority/articles/1367864/print?section=insurance-authoriyy/general-libility https://deadline.com/2014/08/raycom-media-vet-mary-carole-mcdonnell-exiting-to-her-bellum-entertainment-819152/ https://tvnewscheck.com/uncategorized/article/hearst-argyle-television-going-private/ , https://www.newspapers.com/image/574659117/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/574653693/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/139621261/. https://www.newspapers.com/image/139645309/.   https://www.newspapers.com/image/140741027/. https://www.newspapers.com/image/140805056/. https://www.newspapers.com/image/560459458/. https://www.newspapers.com/image/351911763/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/357252978/. https://www.newspapers.com/image/261123442/.  https://www.newspapers.com/image/140308456/. https://www.newspapers.com/image/142128031/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/148563177/. https://www.newspapers.com/image/141724933/. https://pr.mo.gov/embalmers-licensee-search-detail.asp?passkey=1208064 www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/old-time-market-in-kirkwood-closes/article_8702beef-09fe-5faf-8d3a-24aa4b9673ac.html.  https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/header.do?inputVO.caseNumber=21491826&inputVO.courtId=CT21:  , (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/90241471:61846 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/65248155:60382 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/16604206:1170 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/262595262:62209 https://www.newspapers.com/image/141493216 https://www.truthfinder.com/dashboard/reports/ca:lacanadaflintridge:91011:1336sugarloafdr https://www.truthfinder.com/dashboard/reports/al:montgomery:36117:8349longneedledr https://www.truthfinder.com/dashboard/reports/f724344a-4030-4310-83af-d2e9ed384c43 https://www.truthfinder.com/dashboard/reports/ca:losangeles:90077:15430milldaledr https://principia.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/PYB01/id/14465/rec/88 https://principia.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/PYB01/id/14664/rec/89 https://principia.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/PYB01/id/25328/rec/97 https://www.accountingtools.com/articles/check-kiting.html https://www.talkovlaw.com/what-is-a-lis-pendens-california/ https://www.joplinglobe.com/news/local_news/img-src-http-www-joplinglobeonline-com-images-zope-election-gif-border-0-9-00-a/article_f9a19a94-4f92-584a-b983-080836b0014f.html https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/missouri/famous-mo-homicides/ https://www.timesnewspapers.com/webster-kirkwoodtimes/news/art-mcdonnell-named-2016-greentree-grand-marshal/article_32bff096-9126-50bc-9c41-85e03b5d390f.html. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyy1Llkearw  for more details, follow & contact us on Instagram @dirtymoneymoves Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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