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Contrary to Ordinary, Exploring Extraordinary Personal Journeys
Join Dr. Kim Kutsch, the brilliant mind behind CariFree, as he explores the extraordinary lives of thought leaders in the dental industry, and beyond. Contrary to Ordinary explores further than dentistry - here we unravel the minds of change-makers, paradigm shifters, and world shakers. Every two weeks, we dive into the stories of our remarkable guests—ordinary people who continually defy limits. Discover their tales of success, resilience, and self-awareness, and explore how they leverage these experiences not only to elevate dental practice and patient care but also to champion personal growth and entrepreneurship. Listen for captivating conversations with innovators who seamlessly blend art and technology, pursue curiosity, and create the truly extraordinary. Contrary to Ordinary isn't your typical dentistry podcast—it's a vibrant community that's hit #1 in ‘Entrepreneurship,’ #3 in ‘Business,’ and #21 in ‘All Podcasts’ for a reason. We've had the pleasure of hosting inspiring guests like innovators, dental leaders, pioneering inventors, and artists, including Angus Walls, Machell Hudson, Dr. Simon McDonald, Dr. Bobby Birdi, Rella Christensen, Professor Phillip D. Marsh, Carmen Ohling, John Kois, Dr. Susan Maples, Doug Young, Colt Idol, Stephanie Staples, and many more who've graced our mic. Each episode isn't just a listen; it's a lesson in living an extraordinary life authentically, embracing rebellion, and nurturing leadership. We dive into diverse topics, from mentoring, coaching, personal development, and work-life balance to self-awareness, emotional intelligence, leadership, storytelling, altruism, and motivation. And yes, we also cover dentistry—exploring natural dentists, dental health, dental laboratories, oral care, oral surgery, dental hygiene, caries disease, brushing teeth, and overall tooth care. Tune in to Contrary to Ordinary for a unique blend of wisdom that goes beyond the ordinary and resonates with all aspects of life! This podcast aims to empower you to be extraordinary in your dental practice and improve not just your dental care but your overall life! Do you have an extraordinary story you’d like to share with us? Or perhaps a question for Dr. Kutsch. Contact us on our Instagram, Facebook or Twitter today. About Our Host: Meet Dr. Kim Kutsch: a retired dentist with 40 years of experience, prolific writer, thought leader, inventor, and researcher in dental caries and minimally invasive dentistry, brings his insatiable curiosity to the forefront. Eager to learn from those breaking boundaries in dentistry, particularly in preventative and non-invasive dentistry approaches, Dr. Kutsch launched the Contrary to Ordinary podcast. As a keen creative and curious mind, Dr. Kutsch extends his podcast guest list to artists, entrepreneurs, and fascinating minds who have piqued his interest. He wants to learn from them and see how he can be inspired by their extraordinary ways of living and adapt his learnings into his own life and his business, CariFree. About CariFree: CariFree is the new model for oral health and cavity prevention. Dr. Kutsch is the CEO and founder of this business. They create cutting-edge technology and science-based solutions to common dental health concerns for the whole family, making it easy to banish cavities for good with preventive strategies over restorative procedures. Find out how dentists are using CariFree products to revolutionize their dental practices here: https://carifree.com/success-stories/.
- 45 - 44. Global Citizenship with Dr. Sandra Hulac
Today's guest is Dr. Sandra Hulac, co-founder of Tam, Hulac & Partners, a cutting-edge interdisciplinary dental practice in Hong Kong.
In this episode, we dive into what it means to be a global citizen and business owner. We’ll also get a rare, inside look at how someone as accomplished as Sandra handles challenges - and even navigates moments of self-doubt.
Sandra has been living and practicing in Hong Kong since 2001 and has also worked in London, Germany, and the US.
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Why young people worldwide want and need ‘meaningful work’What's In This Episode
How Sandra found herself working in Hong Kong.Sandra’s approach to tackling challenges in her life.What Sandra thinks makes someone extraordinary.Her advice to young people.Tue, 12 Nov 2024 - 44 - 43. The Strength of Reaching Out with Sheena Hinson Pt2
Today's guest is Sheena Hinson, Senior Marketing Manager at Philips. Sheena's journey began as a dental hygienist, but she quickly uncovered a passion for business development. Since then, she’s not only launched her own ventures but also built a vast expertise in entrepreneurship.
This is part two of Sheena’s interview. In this episode, she opens up about her struggles, and how reaching out for support has helped her grow. She also reflects on how she balances short-term and long-term thinking in business and finding mentors in unlikely places.
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Sheena’s mission to reach out to others and learn.The short-term vs long-term dilemma of business-focused thinking.How we have more in common than we think.Sheena’s life of constant improvement
What's In This EpisodeTue, 29 Oct 2024 - 43 - 42. The Accidental Expert with Sheena Hinson Pt1
Today's guest is Sheena Hinson, Senior Marketing Manager at Philips. Sheena's journey began as a dental hygienist, but she quickly uncovered a passion for business development. Since then, she’s not only launched her own ventures but also built a vast expertise in entrepreneurship.
In this episode, Sheena shares insights on the importance of human capital, the role of mentors, and the value of curiosity and perseverance in personal and professional growth.Resources
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How Sheena became an “accidental expert”.Sheena’s style of leadership from the ground up.The Socratic Mentoring method.How trust has to be earned.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 15 Oct 2024 - 42 - 41. Accountability and Growth with Dr. Tracey Nguyen
Today's guest is Dr. Tracey Nguyen, the owner of Lansdowne Dental Care in Leesburg, Virginia. In addition to her general practice, Tracey specializes in airway health, with a particular focus on pediatric care. She is also among an elite group of only 350 individuals worldwide accredited by the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry.
Tracey’s journey to success was far from easy. Growing up in poverty and facing challenging circumstances, she lacked the guidance of strong role models. Now, reflecting on her past, she is committed to giving back by serving as a mentor and teacher to others in her community.
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Machell Hudson on resilience and compassion
Tracey’s origin story.Why airway health is important to dentistry.Why accountability is so important.How teaching should benefit the student and the teacher.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 01 Oct 2024 - 41 - 40. Stop and Smell the Roses with Dr. Steve Lamberg
This week's guest is the phenomenal Dr. Steve Lamberg, one of the world's leading experts in dental sleep medicine—a field that explores the critical roles sleep and breathing play in maintaining our health and well-being.
Steve has been practicing dentistry on Long Island for over 45 years, where he runs the Snoring and Sleep Apnea Dental Treatment Center alongside his general practice.
Steve is also the author of Treat the Cause... Treat the Airway: The Role of Snoring & Sleep Apnea in Contemporary Preventive Medicine, a book that reveals how common and dangerous snoring, sleep apnea and adult sleep problems can be.
Steve believes that we should all stop and smell the roses sometimes. Even when we're very busy, taking time for this helps us not sweat the small stuff and live life to the fullest.Resources
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How Steve became interested in sleep as a subject area.Why dentists should be coaching patients toward better health outcomes.Why you shouldn’t sweat the small stuff.What would Steve tell his 25-year-old self?Tue, 17 Sep 2024 - 40 - 39. Chasing Innovation with Dominik Lysek
This week’s guest is Dominik Lysek, an entrepreneur with over 15 years of impactful contributions to the dental and pharmaceutical industries. He is the CEO of PharmaTrail, a Swiss company specializing in blockchain-based software solutions for capturing and managing clinical trial data. Dominik also serves on the board of several companies, including the dental science firm Vvadis and the RNA-based therapeutics organization Altamira Therapeutics.
In 2010, Dominik founded Credentis, a company that pioneered groundbreaking enamel restoration technology. This marked the beginning of his journey in innovation and entrepreneurial success.
Please be advised that this episode includes a discussion of cancer mortality.
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Dominik's entrepreneurial journey.The relationship between mentor and mentee.Why overnight success takes years.How Dominik’s wife supported him.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 03 Sep 2024 - 39 - 38. Active Listening with Dr. Kelly Blodgett
This week's guest is Dr. Kelly Blodgett, a man who has made it his life’s mission to challenge the “negative stereotype of dentistry.” Kelly Blodgett founded Blodgett Dental Care in 2001 where active listening plays a crucial role in the patient experience.
Kelly was also one of the first within dentistry to recognize the significance of the mouth-body health connection. He shares his expertise with a large audience on Instagram, where his popular weekly series, Toxic Tooth Tuesdays and Wellness Wednesdays, have garnered significant attention. The success of Toxic Tooth Tuesdays even led him to take it on tour across the country.
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What Is Active Listening? - The Harvard Business Review
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Kelly’s experience on a crisis line.Why active listening is so important.How Kelly manages the patient experience.How the Toxic Tooth Tour came to be.Tue, 20 Aug 2024 - 38 - 37. Proactive Problem Solving with Dr. Tina Saw
This week's guest is Dr. Tina Saw, a dentist and serial entrepreneur. She founded Light Solutions Company, which creates wireless lights for dentists, Harmony Health Foundation, an organization supporting healthcare in underserved communities, and Oral Genome, which uses saliva testing to identify potential health issues before they arise.
Tina is a proactive problem solver who can't help but create solutions for any problem she encounters. Currently, she doesn't have much work-life balance. With two young children and multiple startups to run, Tina is certainly in her busy era.
This conversation took place at SmileCon 2023 in Orlando, Florida, so be prepared for some background noise and maybe even some music.
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How Tina became a serial entrepreneur.Is there such a thing as work-life balance?Why many people should think twice about starting a business.How Tina stopped people pleasing.Tue, 06 Aug 2024 - 37 - 36. Choosing the Extraordinary Path with Dr. Doug Thompson
This week's guest is Dr. Doug Thompson, a pioneer in understanding the connection between oral health and overall well-being. In 2016, he founded the Wellness Dentistry Network to encourage dentists to adopt this more holistic approach, moving beyond the traditional focus on drilling and filling teeth.
Doug also serves on the American Academy of Systemic Health Board and is an adjunct faculty member and clinical instructor at the Kois Center.
Doug started his journey as a lab technician, working by day and taking classes by night. This determined path led him to become a dentist in his 30s. Despite his hard work, Doug strongly believes in "living your life along the way," ensuring he enjoys experiences beyond his professional career.
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Doug’s unconventional journey to dentistry.How Doug has faced challenges in his life and career.The art of the late-life career shift.How passion and faith combine for Doug.Tue, 23 Jul 2024 - 36 - 35. Incremental Change with Leon Hermanides
This week's guest is the rebellious Leon Hermanides, Owner and President of Protea Dental Studio in Redmond Washington. He’s also a Clinical Instructor and Scientific Advisor at the Kois Center.
Leon's journey began in his native Zimbabwe, where his father was a prominent figure in the dental space who had vowed never to leave the country. However, it was a major surprise when his father decided to move the family to South Africa when Leon was 13.
Across his life and career, Leon has embraced the idea of incremental change. At one point, he would make drastic changes overnight, believing that this would help his business evolve. However, he now realizes that the best results come from slowing down and figuring out the best changes over a longer period.
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1. John Kois on Enriching The Heart, The Mind, and Dental Industry
TED Talk: The little risks you can take to increase your luck with Tina Seelig
Leon’s journey across Africa, and then the world.How Leon embraced incremental change.How risk and reward impacted Leon’s life.Why we should all strive to be extraordinary.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 09 Jul 2024 - 35 - 34. Spotlighting the Extraordinary with Melissa Turner
This week's guest is the vibrant and multi-talented Melissa Turner. She is the Senior Executive Consultant and Chief Hygiene Officer at Cellerant Consulting Group, an incubator and accelerator for dental companies. Melissa is also the co-founder of the Denobi Awards, which celebrate the positive impact of dental professionals worldwide. Additionally, Melissa co-hosts the Dentistry Gone Wild Podcast and the IWoman Podcast.
This conversation was recorded at SmileCon 2023 in Orlando Florida.
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Melissa’s origin story in the Amish community.How Melissa found her feet in dentistry.Finding common ground in the generational divide.Why Melissa founded the Denobi Awards.Tue, 25 Jun 2024 - 34 - 33. Humor and Candor with Dr. Mark Benavides
Today’s guest is Dr. Mark Benavides, a dentist practicing in Ottawa, Illinois. Mark is a member of several prestigious organizations, including the American Academy of Restorative Dentistry and the International Congress of Oral Implantologists.
He also uniquely serves as the Scientific Advisor for Computer Technology at the Kois Center. Mark is the only dentist member of iXorg, an organization that provides technical education and business networking to its members.
In honor of Father’s Day 2024, this episode features a few heartwarming stories about Mark’s father - an incredible surgeon who inspired many people throughout his life.
This episode contains some strong language.
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How Mark’s journey to becoming a surgeon changedWhy Mark’s father was such an influential characterHow to spot an ‘asshole’ at workWhy a smile goes a long wayTue, 11 Jun 2024 - 33 - 32. Consistency and Grit with Minal Sampat
Today’s guest is Minal Sampat, speaker, marketing strategist, coach, and bestselling author. Minal is the definition of a third culture kid - she began her life in India and moved to St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands as a child. Her final relocation was to the US. where she still lives today.
Those early years left an impression on Minal and taught her a lot about the value of grit and determination. She began her journey studying dentistry at Rutgers University. But something shifted, and she started to set her sights on a new path - marketing.
Minal is the author of the Amazon bestsellerWhy Your Marketing Is Killing Your Business: And What To Do About It.
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Where Minal got her grit and determination.Her experience of starting her own business.Why it takes grit to succeed.What people often get wrong about marketing.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 28 May 2024 - 32 - 31. The Privilege of Teaching with Dr. Bob Margeas
Today’s guest is Dr. Bob Margeas, a dental professional in Des Moines, Iowa, a professor of Operative Dentistry at the University of Iowa, and the Editor-in-Chief of Inside Dentistry.
Described as the “dentist’s dentist”, Bob has achieved so much in his field, but always embraces his failures, seeing them as a valuable learning opportunity. He sees teaching as a privilege - and never takes his position as an educator for granted. As he puts it -
“There are a lot of amazing people out there who never get the opportunity to speak, so you can never assume that the people speaking are the best.”
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The mentor that kickstarted Bob’s career.Bob’s first big career failure.Why he’s humbled by the talent around him.Bob’s life as a stepdad.Tue, 14 May 2024 - 31 - 30. Oral Cancer Awareness Month: Dr. Scott Edison
When we think of oral cancer, we often picture a seasoned smoker or a long-time tobacco user. But did you know that a growing number of cases are affecting young, non-smokers?
Over 20% of oral cancer diagnoses occur in people under 55, and the culprit might not be what you expect. The rise in instances is linked to Human papillomavirus (HPV) from unprotected oral sex, not tobacco.
During Oral Cancer Awareness Month, we want to take some time to spotlight the extraordinary dentists and practitioners who have taken on this little-understood cancer and are survivors.
Today's guest is Dr. Scott Edison, a Clinical Associate Professor at the UNC Adams School of Dentistry. Before Scott found a lump on his neck in 2019, he didn't know all that much about head and neck cancer. Nothing makes you an expert in something more quickly than lived experience, and he set out to find out everything he could about the different types of treatment available to him. What followed was a long and painful journey. Additionally, Scott was diagnosed with prostate cancer soon after.
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Oral Cancer ResourcesDr. Scott Edison Interview - How Clinicians Can Combat One of the Fastest-Growing Cancers
Dr. Michael R. Sesemann’s Neck Lymph Node Exam Video
Head & Neck Cancer - Insights from Dr. Mike Milligan
The Oral Cancer Foundation Website
Head and Neck Cancer Alliance Website
The American Cancer Society - Seeking a Second Opinion
The American Cancer Society - Dealing with Chemo Brain
CariFree Anticavity Fluoride Tooth Gel
CariFree Moisturizing Oral Spray
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How Scott’s diagnosis came out of the blue.How side effects are sometimes lifelong.The importance of a supportive survivor community.How having cancer changed Scott’s perspective on his life.Tue, 30 Apr 2024 - 30 - 29. Oral Cancer Awareness Month: Dr. Michael R. Sesemann
Head and neck cancer is the 7th most common cancer globally. Symptoms may include a lump in the neck, a sore in the mouth, or a sore throat that doesn’t go away. During Oral Cancer Awareness Month, we want to take some time to spotlight the extraordinary dentists and practitioners who have taken on this little-understood cancer and survived.
Today's guest is Dr. Michael R. Sesemann, a dentist, educator, and Nebraska Institute of Comprehensive Dentistry founder. Michael has been described as "the best dentist you've never heard of". He exudes a passion for his work that helped him through his cancer diagnosis.
Michael served as the President of the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry between 2009 and 2010, is a member of seven American dental associations, and is currently an Adjunct Faculty Member at the Kois Center.
In 2018, Michael found a lump on his neck. Like many people often do, Michael didn't get it checked out right away, after being told that it was probably just caused by allergies. When he found out that it was cancerous, he began a long and hard journey to recovery.Resources
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Oral Cancer Resources
Dr. Michael R. Sesemann’s Neck Lymph Node Exam Video
Head & Neck Cancer - Insights from Dr. Mike Milligan
The Oral Cancer Foundation Website
Head and Neck Cancer Alliance Website
The American Cancer Society - Seeking a Second Opinion
CariFree Anticavity Fluoride Tooth Gel
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Why Michael loves education.How he discovered the lump on his neck.Why parents should investigate the Gardasil 9 HPV Vaccine.Where Michael found hope in dark times.Tue, 16 Apr 2024 - 29 - 28. Oral Cancer Awareness Month: Dr. Mike Milligan
Close to 54,000 Americans will hear the words “You have oral or throat cancer” in 2024. Shockingly only about half of them will survive beyond 5 years. April is Oral Cancer Awareness Month, and we want to take some time to spotlight the extraordinary dentists and practitioners who have taken on this little-understood cancer and survived.
Today's guest is Dr. Mike Milligan, a dentist who has served the community of Bloomington Illinois for over 45 years. He's also the Founder and President of www.OralSystemicLink.net, an online resource that helps patients and dentists understand how oral health fits into their overall well-being.
"Help people live better"is Mike's life mission. In this conversation, you're going to hear how, after he was diagnosed with stage 4 head and neck cancer in 2020, Mike made sure to document the entire experience, knowing that his efforts would benefit other survivors.
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Oral Cancer Resources
Head & Neck Cancer - Insights from Dr. Mike Milligan
The Oral Cancer Foundation Website
Head and Neck Cancer Alliance Website
The American Cancer Society - Seeking a Second Opinion
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How Mike was first diagnosed.Why it's important to be your own health advocate.How faith helped Mike through his cancer.Why Mike decided to create a resource document for other survivors.Tue, 02 Apr 2024 - 28 - 27. Dr. Betsy Bakeman on Excellence
This episode marks the first anniversary of Contrary to Ordinary. Thank you so much to all of our amazing guests, and to the listeners that have made this show extraordinary.
It’s also CariFree’s 20th birthday! Another big thank you to everyone who has been a part of our amazing journey over the last two decades.
In the last episode, we began our conversation with Dr. Betsy Bakeman, a private practice owner and expert in restorative and cosmetic dentistry. Betsy is included in an elite group of less than 300 dentists worldwide who are Accredited by the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry (AACD). In fact, she is one of 50 dentists worldwide and the first dentist in Michigan to have achieved the distinction of being an Accredited Fellow in the AACD.
In Part 1, Betsy discussed the first people who believed in her, how much learning at the Kois Center means to her, and how important constructive criticism is to personal growth.
Today, Betsy discusses the future of digital dentistry, her forward-thinking mentality, and we ponder why extraordinary people don’t often see themselves that way.
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The future of digital in dentistryBetsy’s mindset around teachingWhy she doesn’t see herself as extraordinaryWhat excellence means to Betsy
What's In This EpisodeTue, 19 Mar 2024 - 27 - 26. Dr. Betsy Bakeman on Learning, Teaching, and Evolving Pt.1
Dentists want every single one of their patients to walk away from a treatment with a smile that they can be proud of. If a practitioner can also make their patients feel comfortable in the alien world we inhabit, they must be doing something extraordinary, right?
Today's guest is Dr. Betsy Bakeman, a private practice owner and expert in restorative and cosmetic dentistry. Betsy is included in an elite group of less than 300 dentists worldwide who are Accredited by the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry (AACD). She is one of 50 dentists worldwide and the first dentist in Michigan to have achieved the distinction of being an Accredited Fellow in the AACD.
Betsy is also an adjunct faculty member and clinical instructor at the Kois Center which is where our conversation took place.
Join us for part 2 of Betsy’s interview.
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The people who first believed in BetsyWhat does being part of the Kois Center mean to Betsy?Building trust with patientsWhy constructive criticism is important to personal growthTue, 05 Mar 2024 - 26 - 25. Professor Hien Ngo on C.A.R.E
Compassion, Altruism, Respect, and Excellent are the tenets that have guided Professor Hien Ngo throughout his career.
He’s currently the Dean and Head of the Dental School and Director of the Oral Health Centre at the University of Western Australia. Indeed, Hien is a prolific educator who has taught thousands of students about minimal intervention dentistry and cariology all over the world.
He was instrumental to the establishment of the Minimal Intervention 2020 projects in Adelaide and other dental schools in South East Asia. He serves on the board of the Academy of Minimally Invasive Dentistry and the editorial board of the Journal of Dentistry, Journal of Oral Health and Preventive Dentistry.
Hien also has an amazing backstory. He grew up in Vietnam during the war, relocating to the Philippines and later the US. with his father. He finally settled in Australia, which he now calls home.
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Hien’s incredible journey from Vietnam to America.How Hien approaches mentorship.A few acronyms that guide Hien.How Hien approaches teaching.Tue, 20 Feb 2024 - 25 - 24. Bonnie Milletto on Finding Her Voice
Letting go of the past can be hard. So hard in fact that it’s easy to become defined by it. However, there are some extraordinary people out there who have rewritten the narrative around themselves, inspiring others to do the same.
Today's guest is Bonnie Milletto, a motivational speaker, author, and youth advocate. As a lonely child who was in and out of foster homes, Bonnie was often told that she wasn't good enough and that she would never have a voice.
She was labeled 'high-risk' by her carers, who believed that her future was bleak. But Bonnie defied all the odds, and now passes her wisdom on to others who could benefit from a little support and encouragement.
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Bonnie’s difficult childhoodHow Bonnie found her voiceWhy did Bonnie decide to become an author?Bonnie’s youth advocacy workTue, 06 Feb 2024 - 24 - 23. Pastor Laura O’Brien on Leading with Care Pt.2
In the last episode, we began speaking with pastor and author Laura O’Brien. Laura has served the congregation at the Good Shepherd Lutheran Church in Albany, Oregon, and was about to move on to new opportunities at the time of this conversation.
In part 1, Laura discussed her upcoming book Hell Hope on Wheels, which charts her incredible journey across the US, Europe, and eventually to her career as a pastor. Laura wasn’t brought up in a religious household and encountered many ways of practicing faith in her travels. However, it was only when she started studying the historical elements of the Bible that she found her preferred form of worship.
Today, Laura is going to talk a little about life now and how many of the lessons she's learned in her journey as a pastor can be applied to all leaders in their niches.
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Who mentored Laura?Laura’s approach to change making.How to find true peace.Why human nature never really changes.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 23 Jan 2024 - 23 - 22. Pastor Laura O’Brien on Finding Faith Pt.1
Faith is an important tool that many people use to navigate the world. Today’s guest, Pastor Laura O'Brien has had an unconventional journey to finding hers. Laura is a Lutheran Pastor, who has worked all over the world. Her bookHell Hope on Wheels charts her incredible journey across the US, Europe, and eventually to her faith. Laura wasn’t brought up in a religious household and was even exposed to some elements of faith that she didn’t agree with on her epic journey.
In part 1, we’ll be focusing on some of the life events that feature in her book. Join us next time for part 2 of Laura’s interview.
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The moment when Laura’s life changed.Her experience in Brazil that turned her away from faith.Laura’s time in Washington D.C working for a notable political figure.How Laura finally found her faith.Tue, 09 Jan 2024 - 22 - 21. A Look Back at an Extraordinary Year
Welcome to a very special holiday episode of Contrary to Ordinary. Today, we’re taking a look back over some extraordinary conversations from across 2023. The mission of this podcast has been to figure out what makes a person extraordinary. Are they born with it? Can it be taught? Is work/life balance even possible for people who have made extraordinary strides in their careers?
Extraordinary people come in many shapes and sizes, but this show has identified a few common traits that they share. They’re usually curious, lifelong learners who love to gain more knowledge. They don’t waste time and don’t sit still for too long. Finally, they don’t do it for the money. They do it to help others and the world.
Thank you so much for listening. Contrary to Ordinary will return in 2024 with more extraordinary conversations.
This episode features the voices of Dr. Rella Christensen, Dr. Doug Young, Machell Hudson, Dr. Philip D. Marsh, Stephanie Staples, Dr. John Kois, and Professor John Featherstone.
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A comparison of three, very different dental origin storiesSome fantastic advice about following your dreamsA real example of what it means to challenge the status quoExtraordinary people telling their storiesMon, 25 Dec 2023 - 21 - 20. Dr. Amanda Seay on Adversity and Grace
People who show grace and poise during stressful times are often compared to a swan drifting across the water. You might not see it, but a lot is going on under the surface to maintain that calm exterior. They rehearse, they plan, and they still get the jitters, even if they are very experienced and talented.
Today's guest is Dr. Amanda Seay, an accomplished and accredited dentist and private practice owner who also educates through her training organization, imP.R.E.S. After graduating in 2011, Amanda went on to become a mentor and clinical instructor at the Kois Center. This conversation was recorded before the 25th Kois Center Symposium, where Amanda was speaking.Amanda’s advice for anyone struggling with self-doubt is that "when someone sees something in you that you don't see in yourself, you need to believe them." She now mentors many early-career women, sharing her lived experience of balancing family and dentistry. As a mother of four kids, she has plenty of advice to share.
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Amanda’s winding path into dentistry Her first, nerve-wracking experience of presenting.What advice does she give to other people trying to balance work and family?Something surprising that not many people know about Amanda.Tue, 12 Dec 2023 - 20 - 19. Dr. Simon McDonald on Being Grateful Pt.2
In the last episode, we began speaking with Dr. Simon McDonald, CEO and co-founder of Rhondium. Simon is a "serial inventor and entrepreneur", who has brought a number of groundbreaking inventions into the field of dentistry. You might be familiar with the V-Ring and the Tri-Clip, but his other notable inventions include the One Visit Crown and the Grip Tab.
In part 1, Simon talked us through his inventive process and stressed that each of his creations have taken countless hours to be fully realized. He also described how he studied dentistry in the UK at King's College in London but moved to New Zealand when his first child was still young. He fell in love with the country and set up his own dental practice there. Through the years, he used the spare rooms in his practice to house the dental inventions he’s created across his career.
In part 2, we’re going to delve into some more of Simon’s inventions and explore why he is grateful for everything he gets in life.
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What did a young Simon like to do?Simon’s latest product offering.Why Simon is so grateful for everything he receives.Simon’s adventures outside of dentistry.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 28 Nov 2023 - 19 - 18. Dr. Simon McDonald on the Inventors Spirit Pt.1
Today’s guest is Dr. Simon McDonald. He's been described as a"serial inventor and entrepreneur", who has brought a number of groundbreaking inventions into the field of dentistry. You might be familiar with the V-Ring and the Tri-Clip, but his other notable inventions include the One Visit Crown and the Grip Tab.
Simon studied dentistry in the UK at King's College in London but moved to New Zealand when his first child was still young. He fell in love with the country and set up his own dental practice there. Through the years, he used the spare rooms in his practice to house the dental inventions he’s created across his career. Like many of the guests on this show, Simon never sits still and balances his dental practice alongside other projects.
Simon’s inventions have advanced the way that dentistry approaches oral care. This is Part 1 of Simon’s interview, and this episode will focus on his inventive spirit and discuss the countless hours it takes to realize an invention as a reality.
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How Simon found dentistry.Why Simon loves inventing better dental products.A few entrepreneurs that inspire Simon.What it takes to create a truly groundbreaking dental product.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 14 Nov 2023 - 18 - 17. Dr. Bobby Birdi on Being Grateful
Today’s guest Dr. Bobby Birdi is unique in many ways. However, many people know him for being one of North America’s very few Certified Dual Specialists in Periodontics and Prosthodontics. He is an adjunct Associate Professor at the University of British Columbia and the University of Minnesota, where he is involved in multiple dental implant research projects and clinical trials. He also actively lectures both nationally and internationally in the fields of implant surgery and prosthetics. Bobby is also the co-founder of the Digital Dentistry Institute which offers global training programs in 11 countries.
He's written articles, has contributed to textbooks, and so much more. It's clear from this amazing resumé that Bobby is someone who is passionate about all things dentistry.
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Bobby’s grateful approach to his life.How does Bobby manage his time?Bobby’s approach to mentorship.The guidance of Bobby’s children.Tue, 31 Oct 2023 - 17 - 16. Carmen Ohling on Asking Better Questions
In this episode we're speaking to someone who "helps guide high achieving women to write their own permission slip and live the life of their dreams". Carmen Ohling, a keynote speaker, Flow Academy founder, and holistic life Coach. After 16 years in the corporate world, Carmen made the decision to follow her passion to help others be their best selves. Everyone who meets Carmen is inspired by her and I'm excited to share our conversation with you today.
At 25 Carmen found out that she had multiple sclerosis, but instead of slowing down, she worked even harder in her corporate career. Eventually, she started asking herself what she really wanted. She invites us all to ask better questions of ourselves, even when we’re busy and before we burn out.
Carmen is also the host of The Permission Slip Podcast, where she talks about different facets of life including mindset, health, business, and more. It gives practical advice for listeners to change their lives today.
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Why did Carmen decide to become a life coach?Carmen’s experience of the corporate world.What sort of questions should we be asking ourselves?How Carmen found inner peace.Tue, 17 Oct 2023 - 16 - 15. Stephanie Staples on Being ‘Nice for a Living’
In this episode, we're going to be talking to a person who helps people who are nice for a living thrive - Stephanie Staples. Stephanie is a prolific motivational speaker and coach who shares her positive message with busy professionals. She has a background in nursing, but after a moment of extreme burnout, she decided she wanted to dedicate her life to helping other people realize their full potential.
Her coaching style is magnetic. You'll find her mingling with her audience, encouraging them to work harder on themselves than on anything else. Stephanie has also appeared on radio, television, and is the author of When Enlightening Strikes – Creating a Mindset for Uncommon Success, The Try Angle: A New Slant on Life, and even a children’s book: Noah & the Try-ceratops.
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How a moment of burnout set Stephanie on a motivational speaker’s path.The challenges that Stephanie experienced growing up.How Stephanie coaches people who are ‘nice for a living’.How ordinary people inspire Stephanie.Tue, 03 Oct 2023 - 15 - 14. Bill Brown on the Power of Lasers
The first working laser was operated by Theodore Maiman on May 16 1960 at the Hughes Research Laboratory in California. Maiman may have been the first person to operate a laser, but the theory behind them dates back to Einstein in the early 20th century. He was already thinking about a way to amplify light and its source before we had the means to do it.
After their pioneering use in the 60s, it didn’t take long for medicine to take note and start testing lasers. Today's guest is Bill Brown, who became interested in lasers and their use in dentistry during that pioneering period of engineering history. Bill is one of the last men standing from the early period of lasers and their use in dentistry and he’s seen a lot of change over the years.
Bill currently serves as Vice President of innovation and Business Development at BIOLASE, a world leader in dental lasers.
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Where does Bill get his drive and energy?The pioneering use of lasers in dentistry.Why you should try and push outside of your comfort zone.Bill’s health struggles in his early life.Tue, 19 Sep 2023 - 14 - 13. Graeme Milicich on Going Against The Grain
What do Albert Einstein, Coco Channel, and Thomas Edison have in common? During their studies, they were all seen as 'difficult students'. They looked at the rigid systems that they were part of and rejected them. Now we see them as innovators and pioneers whose achievements ring through history.
Questioning education paradigms is something that Dr. Graeme Milicich is all too familiar with. He’s practiced dentistry for over 40 years and began challenging existing practices during his time at dental school.
Today Graeme is known around the world for his pioneering work in minimally invasive dentistry. He’s an expert in the fields of minimal intervention, caries risk assessment, and management of minimal intervention restorative techniques. He's a Diplomate and Founding Board Member of the World Congress of Minimally Invasive Dentistry (WCMID). He’s also a Fellow, Master, and Board Member of the World Clinical Laser Institute, and a Founding Board member and Honorary Lifetime Member of the New Zealand Institute of Minimal Intervention Dentistry.
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Graeme’s experience of hard labor.Learning how to say ‘no’.How Graeme moved the dial on minimally invasive dentistry.What values are most important to Graeme?
What's In This EpisodeTue, 05 Sep 2023 - 13 - 12. Dr. Rick Campbell on Understanding 'The Two Legged Animal’
Pets are, in many ways, a mirror to ourselves. If we care for and invest time in them, you're going to see that reflected back at you ten-fold. And today's guest certainly understands the complex world of animals and how to keep them happy. Dr. Rick Cambell, the owner of Willow Creek Pet Center, the largest veterinary group practice in the United States. In the world of veterinary medicine, Rick is extraordinary. He's treated thousands upon thousands of animals across his career and was one of the first people to recognize the importance of early years training for puppies.
For Rick, it's never been about the money. Like many extraordinary people, he's always sought to serve. He's been described as a "continuous learner that strives to be the best in all he does''. After a difficult childhood, Rick spent time in the military before deciding to pursue a career in veterinary medicine.
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What's In This EpisodeTue, 22 Aug 2023 - 12 - 11. Colt Idol on the Utility of Art
"We all know that art has monetary value but its true value is much deeper. Art transcends race, religion, wealth, status and age. It is connected to us at a soul level. The need for artful expression has always been and will always be. It is for everyone, by everyone."
These are the words of today's guest Colt Idol, a painter who is described as the “new face of the Old West”. Colt uses dazzling color and plays with form in his work to bring to life the freedom and nostalgia of a time long gone.
Before Colt became an artist he was working towards a professional baseball career but suffered a number of injuries that eventually forced him to put that dream to the side. His father, the renowned outdoor personality and artist Dick Idol brought him into his world, setting up alongside him at an easel in his studio. Colt is a lifelong resident of Montana and operates a number of galleries locally, as well as selling his own art. Colt believes that art is a utility and something everyone can enjoy in their own way.
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How Dick Idol took Colt under his wing.Colt’s use of color to create other worlds.What is the utility of art today?How we can all appreciate and experience art.Tue, 08 Aug 2023 - 11 - 10. Professor John Featherstone on Forging Your Own Path
In his 1841 essay Self-Reliance, philosopher and essayist Ralph Waldo Emerson tells us to “trust thyself: every heart vibrates to that iron string”. In other words, we should all trust in the sacredness of ourselves and our own path, and not try to imitate the road others are destined to travel. Emerson wrote extensively about individuality, self-reliance, and non-conformism, and it makes sense that today’s guests would have a quote from him hanging on his refrigerator.
Professor John Featherstone has always followed his own, as he puts it, “weird” dreams. He’s the retired Dean of Dentistry at the University of California, San Fransico, and spent ten years in the role after joining the faculty in 1995 as a professor. He’s contributed so much to the field, but one of John’s greatest achievements has to be the Caries Management By Risk Assessment (CAMBRA) Protocol which he co-created during his time at UCSF. The CAMBRA Protocol looks beyond the traditional ‘drill and fill’ approach to dentistry towards more preventative, long-term solutions. John has won more prizes and titles than you can count but admits that sometimes his work became all-consuming.
If all that wasn’t enough, John is also an accomplished pianist, mountain climber, skier, and author. He’s also mentored so many people throughout his career, which he cites as his proudest achievement.
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John’s whirlwind life of study and practiceThe importance of scholarships and mentoring to JohnHow everyone should find their own pathJohn’s road to peaceTue, 25 Jul 2023 - 10 - 9. Professor Philip D. Marsh on Dealing with the Dogma Pt.2
In the last episode, we introduced Professor Philip D. Marsh, Professor Emeritus of Oral Microbiology at the School of Dentistry at the University of Leeds in the UK. Across his incredible career, he's published over 300 research papers and review articles and is co-author of a leading textbook on oral microbiology.
In Part 1, Phil walked us through his early experiences as a penniless Ph.D. student in London and on to his first graduate job. We also discussed the alienation Phil felt as he felt pushback from some of his senior peers. In this episode, Phil breaks down some more of his key studies and findings. We’ll also be discussing Phil’s admiration for the extraordinary professional communicators, he’s met who can distill the essence of what they’re describing down to its very essence.
It’s impossible to say how many people have been touched by Phil’s work. It just goes to show that everyone gets nervous and doubtful sometimes, it’s the extraordinary ones that push through.
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Phil expands on his research, the CAMBRA Protocol, and the pushback he’s faced.What traits does Phil think extraordinary people have?The open-minded approach Phil took to his research.What is Phil up to now that he’s retired?Tue, 11 Jul 2023 - 9 - 8. Professor Philip D. Marsh on Challenging the Orthodoxy Pt.1
If you're going to be a trailblazer, then you're going to have to take down a few trees along the way. You have to be willing to follow your nose and believe in what you're doing enough to embrace your critics with open arms.
Today’s guest is Philip Marsh, Professor Emeritus of Oral Microbiology at the School of Dentistry at the University of Leeds in the UK. In his impressive career, he's published over 300 research papers and review articles and is co-author of a leading textbook on oral microbiology.
He has won numerous awards including the ORCA-Rolex Award for Caries Research in 1991, the IADR Distinguished Science Award (Research in Dental Caries) in 1998, the Society for General Microbiology (UK) Colworth Prize Award in 2001, and a Lifetime Achievement Award in 2008 from the World Congress of Minimally Invasive Dentistry. The only one missing is a Noble Prize!
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Phil’s journey to the field of oral microbiologyThe confidence-shattering criticism he faced early in his careerHow Phil braved the wilderness and stood up for what he believed inThe science behind Phil’s groundbreaking theoriesTue, 27 Jun 2023 - 8 - 7. Rella Christensen on a Life of Two Halves Pt.2
In the last episode, we introduced Rella Christensen of TRAC Research, a nonprofit institute dedicated to in-depth long-term clinical studies of restorative materials, preventive dentistry, and dental caries. Rella took us on a journey through her incredibly busy life - raising three children and pursuing her career as the director of the Clinical Research Associates Foundation. We also heard about Rella’s husband and mentor Gordon, who helped her follow her research interests by giving her access to equipment and resources.
In this episode, we’re delving into some of Rella’s most important discoveries, her opinion on work-life balance, and the challenges of raising three good kids.
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Rella’s findings in air abrasionDid Rella ever achieve work/life balance?Rella’s biggest career achievementGordon’s role as a mentor to RellaTue, 13 Jun 2023 - 7 - 6. Rella Christensen on Following Curiosity Pt.1
Sometimes to forge the path ahead, you need to create the tools to do so from scratch. Having the courage to blaze a trail using your own resources and time is something that only genuinely extraordinary people will attempt. Today's guest, Rella Christensen, has taken on that risk and has come out on the other side with fresh ideas and strategies to help the dental industry better care for its practitioners and patients.
In 1976, Rella co-founded and directed the Clinical Research Associates Foundation, the world's only nonprofit dental products testing laboratory. The CRA shares its findings with subscribers in 87 countries. Rella became a team leader at TRAC Research, a nonprofit institute dedicated to in-depth long-term clinical studies of restorative materials, preventive dentistry, and dental caries.
Join us next time for Part 2 of Rella’s interview.
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Kim shares two of his favorite stories about RellaHow Rella met her husband GordonHow Rella managed studying and working full timeWhere Rella’s curiosity led herTue, 30 May 2023 - 6 - 5. Angus Walls on Being a Rebel
Breaking away from tradition and challenging the status quo are the hallmarks of an extraordinary person.
Today’s guest is Angus Walls, who, across his forty years in the field, has excelled at finding better ways to care for his patients. Since 2013, Angus has worked as the Director of the Edinburgh Dental Institute at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland.
Between 2017 - 2018, Angus served as the ninety-fourth President of the International Association for Dental Research and opened his inaugural address by saying:"I've had an almost career-long interest in oral health and aging".
He's always put this vulnerable population at the front and center of his work, tackling the complex problems that this group face with creativity and compassion.
Prior to his current position, Angus spent eighteen years at Newcastle University as a Professor of Restorative Dentistry, only a few miles from his family home of North Shields in the North East of England. Angus has never been afraid to follow opportunity, even if there is a strong tradition in the UK to practice where you studied.
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Why did Angus decide to go against the grain and practice away from where he studied?How Angus has challenged the status quo throughout his career.Why Angus is so interested in oral health and aging.What Angus will do next.Tue, 16 May 2023 - 5 - 4. Machell Hudson on Resilience and Compassion
Having a patient's best interests at heart is critical to the work that dentists do. This means training every single member of the dental team, empowering them to feel compassion for and respond to their patient’s needs holistically.
This is a philosophy that Machell Hudson practices, not only in her work as a hygienist but in everything she does.
Machell is a trusted and effective hygienist who’s been in the profession for over 15 years. In 2021, Machell founded Integrative Dental Coaching, an organization that coaches and educates dental teams to implement protocols and best practices for overall patient health. Machell is a proud and passionate fellow and member of the board of The American Academy for Oral and Systemic Health and a CariFree Cooperative Member.
In her spare time, Machell is a staunch advocate for those who have been affected by human trafficking. Her journey shows us that anyone can find their way to a life that they find fulfilling.
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How did Machell’s difficult childhood shape who she is today? Why does Machell teach an approach prioritizing overall patient health? How does Machell find and spread joy? How Machell got involved in helping human trafficking victims.Tue, 02 May 2023 - 4 - 3. Dr. Susan Maples on Breaking the Mold and Mentoring
You can't have a healthy body if you don't have a healthy mouth. After all, it is the gateway into the body. Dr. Susan Maples is a leader in the area of total health with over 30 years of experience in dentistry. As a child, Susan was exposed to large quantities of secondhand smoke and suffered from severe allergies. Through mentorship and guidance from a few key medical professionals early on in her journey, Susan began a path to improved total health.
Today, Susan is giving back by mentoring children to have better total health throughout their lives. At Susan's Hands-On Learning Lab, she emphasizes the importance of optimal oral health and nutrition. She also encourages children to consider careers like hers in dentistry.
The right education and the right experience early on can entirely change the way we see the world and how we approach the rest of our lives. Susan created the Hands-On Learning Lab with that end in mind. Susan also runs the Total Health Academy, an online learning platform that helps offices transform into total health dental practices.
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How does Susan use the Hands-On Learning Lab to teach children about oral health?How did Susan’s childhood affect her trajectory into dentistry?The ways that Susan has broken the mold and forged her own path.What drives Susan?
What's In This EpisodeTue, 18 Apr 2023 - 3 - 2. Doug Young on Building a Vision, and Revolutionizing Dentistry
Tooth decay, or dental caries, is the number one disease dentists treat. Yet, the common practice of drilling teeth does not cure the disease. Dr. Doug Young was one of the first to ask a seemingly simple question: If drilling does not cure the disease, why does it remain the first, and often only, option? Finding the answer led him to establish one of the pillars of modern dentistry.
Dr. Young describes his younger self as a "normal dentist." Not a famous researcher. No impressive background. He sought advanced degrees, determined to make real changes in the lives of patients. Thanks to his work, the outdated 'drill' and 'fill' approach to dentistry is increasingly replaced by cariology, a study of decay that includes treatment, prevention, and interruption of damage.
His work has directly impacted the organizations that worked to bring this change to light. Dr. Young is one of the founders of the Caries Management by Risk Assessment Coalition or CAMBRA, American Dental Education Association, Cariology Section, and the American Academy of Cariology or AAC.
Today, Dr. Young discusses how his experiences early in life shaped the man that he is today. His success is a testament to the selfless pursuit of knowledge for the greater good. He also reveals the origin of his love for the outdoors.
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What impact did mentorship have on the trajectory of Dr. Young's life?How Dr. Young saw where her wanted to be and made a plan to achieve his vision.Why the infrastructure around patient care needs to shift from 'pay per tooth' to preventative care.A deeper look into the heart of Dr. Young.
What's In This EpisodeTue, 04 Apr 2023 - 2 - 1. John Kois on Enriching The Heart, The Mind, and Dental Industry
It may be hard to believe today, but opinion was the root of most dental practice in years past. Not in evidence-based research. When the Kois Center opened in 1994, it ushered in a revolutionary approach to dental care. It was the first center to provide a graduate program for practicing dentists that implemented a structured science-based curriculum. The center remains a flagship for science-based advances in esthetics, implants, and restorative dentistry.
On the opening day of The Kois Center, founder Dr. John Kois advocated for an interdisciplinary research-backed approach to whole patient care. The Kois Center remains the only continuous learning center for dental professionals that conducts and publishes its own research. Self-funded, the research is not beholden to the interest of sponsors.
In today's episode, we explore the elements that make the man behind the legendary Kois Center extraordinary. John has found his Ikigai and shared it with the world. To master the art of living, he embodies his values and tries to be fully present. Hear how he followed his curiosity and changed the way dentistry is practiced.
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How values guide Dr. John Kois' every decision.How to master the 'art of living' and slip seamlessly between work and play. What it means to live out the Japanese concept of Ikigai.How to temper an open mind with research and evidence.Tue, 21 Mar 2023 - 1 - Introducing Contrary to Ordinary: Exploring the Extraordinary with Dr. Kim Kutsch
Welcome to "Contrary to Ordinary," where Dr. Kim Kutsch showcases thought leaders in the dental industry - and beyond - who push the boundaries of what's possible. Hear conversations with innovators who blend art and technology, chase curiosity, and create the truly extraordinary. From cutting-edge tech to creative approaches to game-changing innovation, learn from the best in the business and discover what unique qualities make them tick. Join us to hear inspiring stories, practical insights from the most creative minds, and uncover the common threads that make people extraordinary.
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