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About Our Guest: Elisabeth Flett is the General Counsel and Company Secretary of Cancer Council NSW. Elisabeth and Mel discuss finding purpose and passion in your career, including Elisabeth's break from the law to study veterinary science and what drew her back to legal practice. Elisabeth was recently awarded 2023 General Counsel of the Year by the Association of Corporate Counsel. Connect with Elisabeth: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elisabethflett/ Instagram: @the.me.shaped.lawyer Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast Page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/67479008/admin/feed/posts/ Instagram & TikTok: @theinhouselawyer

About Our Guest: Yosr Hamza is Head of Legal and Director of Legal and Compliance at Gartner. In addition to her work as a lawyer and business advisor, Yosr is a proud caregiver and advocate for her son, who lives with a rare disease. Connect with Yosr: Blog: https://docket.acc.com/author/yosr-hamza Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yosrhamza/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast Page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/67479008/admin/feed/posts/ Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Support: Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you also to InCounsel for supporting this episode. Visit incounsel.com.au for more.

Cate Bennett is currently Global General Counsel & Company Secretary for Movember, a Not-For-Profit operating across six jurisdictions with a focus on men's health. Cate also has a background in the public sector, having worked across public transport, justice and health services Movember is the leading charity changing the face of men's health working across mental health & suicide prevention as well as prostate and testicular cancer support. To see more of their work, and to donate or get involved, visit their website https://au.movember.com/about/testicular-cancer Connect with Cate LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catebennett/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast Page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/67479008/admin/feed/posts/?feedType=following Instagram: @theinhouselawyer ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this episode too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

BONUS EPISODE WHILE MEL DISTRACTS HERSELF FROM PRE-TRAVEL COVID TEST ANXIETY.... (UPDATE: NEGATIVE COVID - OFF TO THE US!) Resources mentioned in this episode: @veecon https://veecon.co/ NFT projects (DYOR, not financial advice) - VeeFriends - EveryDay Sloths - World Of Women - Boss Beauties - Dapper Dinos NFT resources: - OpenSea.io (NFT ebay) Legal Tech conference: - https://www.legalops.fm/ - https://www.lexcheck.com/ - https://ironcladapp.com/journal/contract-management/what-is-contract-management/ - https://www.amazon.com.au/Tomorrows-Lawyers-Introduction-Your-Future/dp/019966806X - https://www.amazon.com.au/World-Without-Work-Technology-Automation/dp/0141986808/ref=asc_df_0141986808/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=463879774783&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4152845110137765068&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9069264&hvtargid=pla-919268624784&psc=1 Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer TikTok: @theinhouselawyer ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this season. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this season too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

Dave is currently Founder & CEO of drop-in social audio platform, Longtime, as well as Co-Founder of first-contact messaging tool, Chatclub. Prior to starting Longtime & Chatclub, Dave led the APAC commercial team at Megaport (ASX: MP1) where he and Mel cultivated a collaborative relationship between the sales and legal teams based on mutual respect and trust. He also served as a Founding Board Member of Fintech Australia from 2015-2018. Dave has worked in sales, growth and commercial roles since graduating from the Queensland University of Technology with a Bachelor of Biotechnology Innovation (Hons). Connect with Dave: Website: Hey.me/dave Also, check out https://longtime.live/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer www.counselpodcast.com for more resources and episodes ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this episode too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

Emma Lilley is the Sole Legal Counsel (UK&I) at SD Worx, the Founder of In-house Potter Blog and Instagram community and a O Shaped Lawyer Future Board member. Mel originally connected with Emma on Instagram. She creates content for aspiring solicitors and shares her unique career journey so that the next generation come into the law with a greater awareness of in house practice and how to forge a less traditional pathway after law school. Connect with Emma: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-lilley-0441ba82/ Instagram: @inhousepotter Website: https://inhousepotter.com/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer www.counselpodcast.com for more resources and episodes ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this episode too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

Calli is Legal Counsel at Foxtel Group, working across the FOX SPORTS Australia, Kayo Sports, BINGE, Flash and Foxtel brands. She advises the sports content and production, sales, partnerships, digital product and marketing teams, and was a key stakeholder supporting the build and launch of Flash, BINGE, Kayo Freebies and Pay-Per-View on Kayo. Calli was named the 'Rising Star of the Year - In House' and 'In House Lawyer of the Year' at the Lawyers Weekly - Women In Law Awards 2021. Calli was also a Finalist across multiple categories in the Lawyers Weekly Australian Law Awards, Corporate Counsel Awards and 30 Under 30 Awards in 2021. Calli has proudly served as Chair of the CAMLA Young Lawyers Committee in 2020 and 2021. Connect with Calli: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/callitsipidis/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer www.counselpodcast.com for more resources and episodes ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this episode too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

Chris is General Counsel at Ironclad, Inc., the venture-backed startup that helps in-house lawyers create, understand, and control their contracts—all from one intuitive, powerful platform. He draws on his years of experience as a corporate attorney and public servant to help shape and carry out the strategic vision of the company. As the company’s chief counsel, he is responsible for a broad range of legal, regulatory, and policy matters. Chris spent most of his career between private law practice, politics, and government. Following law school, he worked as a litigator at the San Francisco-based law firm, Morrison Foerster. After litigating a high-profile educational inequality case, he took a leave of absence to join the 2008 Obama campaign as the Deputy Finance Director of Northern California. Shortly after the President was elected, Chris returned to his hometown Sacramento to serve as the then-Mayor’s Senior Advisor and Counsel, before moving to DC to serve in the Obama Administration. After stints in both the White House and Department of Justice, Chris moved back to the Bay Area and joined the law firm of Keker, Van Nest & Peters. There, he served as a litigator and trial lawyer, handling a wide range of criminal, civil, and regulatory cases. After four years at KVP, Chris left to join OpenGov and served as its Head of Business Development and Counsel. After OpenGov, Chris spent three years at GoFundMe serving as their General Counsel. While at GoFundMe, Chris became the Founder and President of GoFundMe.org (formerly the Direct Impact Fund), a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, dedicated to supporting individuals impacted by natural and manmade disasters and social movements like TIME’S UP and Equal Pay Day. In its first year, the charity raised over $33 million from over 180,000 donors. Chris received a degree in Philosophy from San Diego State University, where he graduated magna cum laude. After spending a year as a fellow in the California State Senate, he started working on his law degree at UC Berkeley School of Law, where he graduated in 2005. Chris served as a law clerk for Judge Susan Illston, a Federal District Court Judge for the Northern District of California. He currently lives in the Bay Area with his wife and two young sons. ~~~ Connect with Chris: Twitter: @chrisjyoung LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisyoungattorney/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer www.counselpodcast.com for more resources and episodes. ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you also to InCounsel for supporting this episode. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

Brittany is an attorney turned experienced corporate counsel and business director. After starting her career in a traditional law firm, she knew with her background in business both by degree and working experience, that she had more to offer. Brittany has directed and collaborated with internal departments from marketing, data analysts, human resources, and finance to lead the teams in business transactions. She has experience in reviewing marketing collateral and social media posts prior to release to the public to protect the company's interests. Connect with Brittany: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brittany-leonard-b3a7b2a4/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer www.counselpodcast.com for more resources and episodes ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this episode too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

My first Deep Dive into a topic selected from submission from my Instagram community. Let me know what you think of this format! Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer << where it's really happening these days! TikTok: @theinhouselawyer

Marc Yudkin is currently the Chief Operating Officer & General Counsel of VaynerX, LLC - the parent company of various international digital marketing and advertising businesses including VaynerMedia, The Gallery Media Group, VaynerProductions and Tracer Labs, LLC. As Chief Operating Officer and General Counsel for all of these businesses, Marc is responsible for all of the Company’s global operations, acquisitions, employee relations issues and other matters relating to the overall general operation of a 900-person global agency while also ensuring that services provided adhere to the many regulations and guidelines promulgated by governmental authorities and other self-regulatory bodies. In January of 2020, Marc received an Icon Award as one of the top 100 US Corporate Counsels. He has been a guest lecturer at New York Law School and Pace University School of Law and previously presented at the Annual Meeting of the New York State Bar Association. Marc was appointed Chief Operating Officer in 2020 after serving as the Company's General Counsel for the previous eight (8) years. Prior to becoming General Counsel of VaynerX, Marc was at Riker, Danzig, Scherer, Hyland & Perretti, LLP where he was selected by his peers as a New Jersey Super Lawyers for four (4) straight years. His practice focused on representing middle market companies on a wide scope of advertising, intellectual property and transactional matters, including, private equity and venture capital financing, mergers and acquisitions and joint venture arrangements. He earned his J.D from Emory University School of Law and his B.A. from the State University of New York at Binghamton where he double majored in Philosophy, Politics and Law and Economics. Marc currently resides in New Jersey and is admitted to practice law in the States of New York, New Jersey and Georgia. Connect with Marc: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marc-yudkin-81400670/ Website: https://vaynerx.com/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer counselpodcast.com for more resources and episodes ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this episode too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

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Megan is the General Counsel and CHRO at Glowforge, the creator of the iconic at home 3D Laser Printer. As part of the executive team at Glowforge, she leads the legal and HR/people team functions and works with other senior leadership to scale the company during its current period of rapid growth. Connect with Megan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-lutes-fouty-51a8b018/ Website: https://glowforge.com/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer counselpodcast.com for more resources and episodes ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this episode too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

Anthony Wright was previously the Founder and CEO of award-winning Asia Pacific legal services and tech business, Lexvoco, which he successfully exited to LOD/Bowmark Capital in 2019 Since then he's joined various boards with public companies and start-ups whilst also being an early stage investor in various innovative businesses in mining technology, apparel, media, health and wellness. Before Lexvoco, Anthony had executive roles at the PGA Tour and was the Group General Counsel at Transpacific Industries Group Ltd. Anthony has an MBA, Master of Laws, Bachelor of Laws, Bachelor of Commerce and recently completed the AICD program and a venture capital program at INSEAD. Connect with Anthony: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonywrightiamok/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Counselpodcast.com for more resources and episodes. ~~~ Thank you to Markster for supporting this episode. Visit markster.com.au or email kate@markster.com.au. Thank you to InCounsel for supporting this episode too. Visit incounsel.com.au. ~~~

Thank you for listening, being a part of this community and giving me so much life when the lawyerin' gets tough. Bring on 2022 and big thanks to Markster and InCounsel for being my first sponsors! Connect with Mel: Website: counselpodcast.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer << where it's really happening these days!

ACC In House Clerkship Program: https://www.acc.com/chapters-networks/chapters/australia/careers/in-house-clerkship-program The Learned Crew: https://thelearnedcrew.com/meet-the-crew Connect with Chelsea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelseahao/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer

Kate is an experienced intellectual property lawyer and Co-Founder of Markster. Markster provides dynamic trade mark services to modern in-house legal teams, empowering them to de-risk, optimise, and more easily manage their trade mark portfolios. Kate is passionate about building long-term, trusted relationships with her clients and using creativity and innovation to solve legal problems. Prior to co-founding Markster, Kate gained experience working in-house, in top-tier law and lecturing in technology law, privacy and intellectual property at the Queensland University of Technology. Connect with Kate: LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/katemcalister Email: kate@markster.com.au Website: www.markster.com.au Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer

In 2016, Bill Ash moved on from 30+ years as a corporate leader and in house lawyer in Australia and the US to become an executive and life coach. He lives with his partner Margi Brown Ash on acreage in Brisbane, where they raised their four children. Bill's passion is understanding how our conversations affect everything we think, say, and do, deepening his understanding after gaining post graduate degrees in counselling and coaching. The resource that Bill mentions on Leadership Styles: http://hostleadership.com/ Connect with Bill: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-ash-494a5145 Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer

Lauren is the Managing Director of Dare, Australia's leading legal recruitment agency. Before co-founding Dare in 2015, Lauren practised as a lawyer in large national firms as well as working in-house in the resource sector. Through the lens of a practitioner, Lauren brings a unique appreciation of the nuances of the practise of law, develops deep and meaningful relationships and has a true passion for building a future-focused and resilient legal industry. Lauren is a self-confessed legal industry nerd; following every move, trend, merger, appointment, promotion, major case and industry thought leader. Lauren has a passion for working with developing legal sectors, including NewLaw, legal tech and quasi-legal advisory. Being engrossed in the industry means Lauren sees opportunity for every lawyer. To that end, Lauren's great ambition is for every lawyer to love practising the law. That takes 'can do', 'want to do' and 'perfect timing'. To realise her ambition for the legal industry, she developed, The Dare Method: Analyse + Advise + Advocate. At the heart of the The Dare Method is a quality over quantity mentality. Lauren gets to know the lawyers and clients she works with on a deep and meaningful level to always represent their best interests. As a result, the lawyers she places become valuable, productive, happy and successful: a win for all. When Lauren is not finding better jobs for great lawyers, she is a busy mum of 3 boys ages 3, 2 and 1. Already her life is full of wrestling, rugby, climbing trees and feeding the troops (and so much laundry!). Lauren has found a real joy in balancing mum life with leading the Dare team. Connect with Lauren: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-dare-recruitment/ Website: https://www.darerecruitment.com.au/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer

Sterling Miller's book referred to in this episode: https://www.amazon.com/Things-Need-Know-House-Counsel/dp/1634257928 Also check out episode 5 where I interview the man himself . The podcast studio for hire where I recorded this episode: http://harnesscreation.com.au/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer www.counselpodcast.com

Alex holds a BBA in Marketing and a JD from Texas A&M University and Texas A&M University School of Law, respectively. She has been actively practicing as an in-house counsel since then. Her practice includes sports law, employment and corporate law, along with advising companies on their specific needs. She has been an in-house counsel for a famous sports family, a multinational company, various startups, and most recently, a professional sports team. Along with being an attorney, Alex has worked remotely for USA TODAY Sports Media Group's NFL Wire sites since 2016 as a journalist and content producer. She provides her unique perspective on all things NFL including national anthem policies, sports betting, DE&I, and was the first female to be hired by the NFL Wire sites. She hosts a podcast, Your Potential for Everything, that delves into topics ranging from networking to entrepreneurship to goal setting. She is a multipotentialite and interviews guests that have the ability to shift from industry to industry and be successful in all of them. She is the author of the Your Potential for Everything book series currently available on Amazon. She also provides strategic consulting to businesses and individuals to help them become more productive, effective, and efficient. Schedule a consultation at yourpotentialforeverything.com to learn more about her services. Connect with Alex: Website: yourpotentialforeverything.com Instagram: @yourpotentialforeverything Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer

Christine is a general counsel and sustainability leader. She believes everyone has something to contribute to the most impactful issues of our time including climate change, environment, human rights, social equity and racial justice. Christine studied law at Boston College Law School. She practiced at a major law firm in the Pacific Northwest of the United States for 8 years before accepting an in-house legal role. Over her 15+ year career, Christine has advised start-ups, technology companies, nonprofits and global enterprises on a range of issues. She now serves as the Chief Sustainability and Legal Officer at ENGIE Impact - a global company committed to accelerating the sustainability transformation. Christine recently launched a new series on LinkedIn using the hashtag #SustainableCounsel. The goal of #SustainableCounsel is to help in-house counsel integrate corporate sustainability practices into their company’s operations. In this episode, we discuss: - how in house professionals can broaden their careers outside of a purely legal focus; - corporate sustainability: what it is and how in house legal departments can lead it; - a myth about corporate sustainability that Christine debunks; - Christine's advice to general counsel who want to improve their companies sustainability performance; and - Christine's advice to junior lawyers on how to make the most of opportunities outside their legal day-to-day. Connect with Christine: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christineuri/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer

So much of my motivation for this podcast comes from creating a resource that I wish I had available to me earlier in my own career. With that in mind, this episode is all about the art of buying, and implementing, legal tech for your in house legal department. In this episode, I share my experience of: • effectively managing internal stakeholders; • conducting meaningful vendor assessments; • understanding the differences between contract management and matter management; • tips on training business users to seamlessly adopt the new tech; • why you need to over communicate during change management; and • everything I wish I had known before embarking upon this process. Our chosen solution: Ironclad: https://ironcladapp.com/ Legal Project Manager: Lawyers On Demand: https://www.lodlaw.com/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com [This episode was not sponsored in any way]

Ben is the Founder of Crafty Counsel, a digital media startup helping legal professionals learn, achieve, and share. Ben started his career at Clifford Chance, before joining fashion e-commerce giant Global Fashion Group as its Corporate Counsel in London. GFG is the holding company for e-commerce brands around the world, including The Iconic in Australia. In this episode, we discuss: • Ben’s transition from international mergers & acquisitions lawyer to in house counsel; • behind the scenes of a fashion e-commerce start-up; • the highs and lows of working in a fast-paced global company; • how to analysis the real risk of leaving your job and starting your own company; • the Crafty Counsel original story; and • key trends that are fascinating the in-house counsel community at the moment such as empowering the business to self-serve. Connect with Ben: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjamin-white-33b79032/ Website: https://craftycounsel.co.uk/ To sign up for Crafty Counsel Virtual Meet Ups: https://craftycounsel.co.uk/event/crafty-counsel-community-virtual-meet-ups Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Having started her career in building and construction law, litigation and insolvency in large and medium firms, Jodi has been in-house since 2011, becoming General Counsel of a large private construction and engineering entity in 2014. She is now the Vice President, Legal & Compliance for Volvo Group Australia, is a member of the Executive Leadership Team, and also has responsibility for the Safety, Health, Environment and Quality functions. Volvo Group Australia manufactures Volvo and Mack trucks at a factory facility in Wacol, and the Group also includes UD Trucks, Volvo Penta marine and industrial engines, Volvo Buses and Volvo Construction Equipment, along with Volvo Financial Services. At home and at work, Jodi is passionate about equality and opportunities for girls and women, and has two incredibly strong-willed daughters as a consequence. In this episode, we discuss: - the flawed logic in my opening question (lol); - a new approach to training the business on legal issues; - how to transition from one industry to another at a senior level; - working effectively with legal recruiters; and - Jodi's approach to 'the juggle' of full time work and young family life. Connect with Jodi: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jodinpalmer/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Anna is a General Counsel with over 17 years' experience working for large and small-medium sized organisations in NZ, Australia and the USA. Anna has experience across varied practice areas including corporate/ M&A, competition and consumer law, privacy, dispute resolution and employment law across multiple jurisdictions. In this episode, we discuss: - what it’s like to work for entrepreneurs who move fast and need quick and pragmatic legal advice; - extending yourself outside purely legal work in the start-up environment when things just need to get done; - what it takes to lead a company from start up to ASX200 and what Anna is most proud of in her time at Megaport; - how Anna successfully manages a globally dispersed team; - why lawyers make excellent NFP board directors; and - Anna’s (not one but) two best pieces of career advice. Connect with Anna: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-tichborne-a9647946/ Website: https://www.facebook.com/CherishWomensCancerFoundation/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Clubhouse: @inhouselawyer Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Lisa K. Lang currently serves as the General Counsel for Kentucky State University, a role she has had for three years. Lisa first began her career as a lawyer working as an associate attorney specialising in insurance defence for a law firm in Louisville, Kentucky. She left that firm in 2008 to work for the Commonwealth of Kentucky. She first worked in the Office of the Attorney General as an Assistant Attorney General and then for the Kentucky Department of Education in a variety of in-house counsel roles until taking her current position at Kentucky State. She is also a contributing writer for the Ironclad Blog and most recently co-authored a book called #Networked: How 20 Women Lawyers Overcame the Confines of COVID-19 Social Distancing to Create Connections, Cultivate Community, & Build Businesses in the Midst of a Global Pandemic. In this episode, we discuss: • Lisa’s career path from a student teacher to General Counsel in the higher education sector; • how Lisa’s time in the military taught her resilience and how to act autonomously under pressure; • working, studying and raising a young family – how Lisa managed the juggle; • partnering with internal clients to develop their legal and commercial acumen; • keeping an open mind for career satisfaction; • the power of LinkedIn for creating a support network of like-minded peers; and • how and why we all should become more involved in legal communities online. Connect with Lisa: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisak-lang/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com I am taking a break over the Australian summer but will be back in your ears in the new year with plenty of amazing guests. I feel like we’ve only just scratched the surface of in-house stories. I recommend listening to past episodes if you need more content over the coming weeks. I’ll see you all in 2021! Mel

Krystal is the Head of Legal and Compliance at Oncore. With her position on the executive leadership team and reporting into the CEO, Krystal not only provides legal advice to Oncore, but is also involved in a wide breadth of work including legal operations, risk and compliance management, and company strategy, both in the Australian and overseas markets. Krystal approaches her role as a leader and business partner first and foremost, immersing herself within all facets of the company. Krystal’s path to in-house practice has not been a traditional one. Moving between private practice and commercial roles, Krystal’s varied roles have diversified her skillset and allow her to contribute beyond strictly legal advice. The dynamics of working with multiple stakeholders on varying contractual issues experienced while working for Optus, motivated Krystal to pursue a career as an in-house lawyer. Krystal is a big believer in looking after both her physical and mental wellbeing, and you will often find her on the yoga mat, in the ocean, or skiing down a mountain somewhere with no phone reception. In this episode, we discuss: • what Krystal would tell her younger self on her first day at law school; • why Krystal refused to settle and took her time to really find her place in the law (including a stint in Canada); • Oncore’s legal operations journey and how they use project management software, Monday; • why Krystal hires for passion and trains for skill; • how the GC makes itself truly indispensable to the CEO; • the link between a growth mindset and career success; and • the power of mentors outside of the legal profession. Connect with Krystal: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/krystalkovac/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Kate Sherburn is the sole Legal Beagle (aka legal counsel) at Who Gives A Crap, a social enterprise that donates 50% of its profits to help build toilets for those in need. As Who Gives A Crap’s first in-house lawyer, she is establishing the legal function from the bottom up (pun intended!) and loves the opportunities that a start-up environment provides to think outside of the traditional legal box. Kate is very passionate about the opportunity businesses have to play in making the world a better place and the way in which the in house lawyers can support this. In this episode, we discuss: • Kate’s first legal job at Cadbury and why she knew she was destined to return to in house practice; • what life is like working for a company whose product quickly became the hottest commodity during a pandemic; • what profit for purpose means and how in house lawyers can help make a real difference; • how Kate approaches networking and focusses on creating her own career opportunities; • Kate’s best piece of career advice! Connect with Kate: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katesherburn/ Website: https://au.whogivesacrap.org/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Kirk Simmons is the Head of Legal at Canva. Canva is one of the most exciting Australian companies at the moment and after some awesome experience at eBay and Cricket Australia, Kirk saw an opportunity at Canva and took it. As their first in house lawyer, he has grown the team to nine in under 4 years, as Canva’s growth continues to skyrocket as well. No two days are the same for Kirk at Canva and his advice rings true for all in-house lawyers in fast paced companies that are in scale up mode. Look, I’m not going to lie, this episode had its fair share of technical difficulties. The irony of this occurring to two lawyers in the tech space is not lost on me. The audio gets a little funky around the 17-minute mark and we lost a chunk of my question to Kirk, so I recorded it again but it is not seamless. But stick with us, Kirk saves his best pearls of wisdom for the end of the episode. In this episode, we discuss: • Kirk’s leap of faith out of private practice after many years as a litigator; • transitioning between diverse industries in-house; • what life is like working for Canva, one of Australia’s most exciting tech companies; • growing the legal team from one to nine in under four years to support a hypergrowth company; • How the Canva legal team manages contract workflows and the unique way that they engage with their colleagues; and • Kirk’s best piece of career advice. Connect with Kirk: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirksimmons1/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Sarah is a French qualified lawyer, who has been developing an in-house legal career in the UK for the past 5 years in the tech and pharmaceutical industries. She hated law school and the lack of practical teaching hence why she now runs a law blog on social media where she demystifies legal concepts and the in-house legal profession by leveraging different formats including visuals, videos and using humour and a lot of sarcasm. Sarah is passionate about making the legal industry a better place where lawyers can fully express themselves, their creativity and personality. In this episode, we discuss: • why Sarah wanted to work in house immediately after finishing law school; • how she persevered for 18 months after graduation until she found her first permanent legal gig; • why no experience is ever wasted and what non-legal work can teach you; • Sarah’s experience as a sole counsel early in her career; • how to add value as the first in house lawyer in a fast-growing company; • managing people and building a high-performing legal team; • working in-house in the pharmaceutical industry; • Sarah’s passion for creating legal content on social media; • advice for anyone who wants to elevate their personal brand online; and • much more. Connect with Sarah: LinkedIn: Sarah OUIS Instagram, Facebook & TikTok: @verylawyerproblems Twitter: @expatomnes Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram & TikTok: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Chad is in his 13th year of a career as an in-house lawyer in the public sector at both the Federal and State levels and across agencies both large and small. His career started out with the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) where he spent 5 years primarily advising on major defence procurement contracts and delivering training on contractual risk issues and contract management. Chad then spent a short amount of time in the Department of Regional Australia, Local Government, Arts and Sport before spending almost 7 years with the Australian Sports Commission (incorporating the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS)) where he advised on a broad range of matters from sport specific issues (such as anti-doping, child protection and integrity) through to general contractual and commercial matters. In June 2019, Chad commenced with the NSW Office of Sport providing advice across the whole range of its functions - from setting sport and active recreation policy for the state, supporting the NSW sport sector through investments and partnerships, running our network of Sport and Recreation Centres across the state to regulating motor vehicle racing grounds and, through the Combat Sports Authority, combat sports within NSW. To compliment his professional career, Chad has undertaken a Master of Commercial Law from Melbourne University, comprised almost exclusively from the Sports Law program. He is also a sports administrator and has held positions President and Secretary of the ACT Rugby Referees Association Inc and as Treasurer and Secretary of ACT Gridiron Inc. A career spanning from combat ships to combat sports - enjoy this episode with Chad Burnell! Connect with Chad: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cburnell/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Greg is a lawyer and chartered company secretary with 15+ years’ of top-tier legal, regulatory, corporate and not-for-profit experience, both within Australia and internationally. Greg specialises in corporate governance and general in-house commercial law, having held leadership roles with a ~$7 billion infrastructure management company, an ASX200 multinational tri-listed company, and now a major for-purpose and emergency service organisation. Prior to his in-house roles, Greg was a senior lawyer with a top-tier law firm, and worked as a company regulator. In addition to his governance and legal expertise, Greg is a courageous, passionate, empathetic and agile leader, and is known for his demonstrated ability to build, lead and motivate teams to achieve strategic goals. Greg was recently awarded General Counsel of the Year in the 2020 Lawyers Weekly Australian Law Awards. Connect with Greg: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregoryseeto/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

** PART TWO ** Links to the resources discussed in this episode: Ten Things: Help Your Client Get Their Contract Through Legal Quickly https://sterlingmiller2014.wordpress.com/2014/12/23/ten-things-help-your-client-get-their-contract-through-legal-quickly/ Ten Things: How To Read A Contract: https://sterlingmiller2014.wordpress.com/2019/08/28/ten-things-how-to-read-a-contract/ About Sterling: Sterling has enjoyed a wide and varied 30-year legal career. He is a three-time general counsel, having served in that role at Silicon Valley-based Marketo, Inc., and at Texas-based travel industry giants Sabre Corporation and Travelocity.com. In January 2019, after leading the legal team that completed the sale of Marketo to Adobe Inc., Sterling returned to the Dallas office of Hilgers Graben PLLC as Senior Counsel where he focuses on litigation, general corporate matters, and data privacy. He earned his law degree from Washington University in St. Louis (with honors) and his bachelor’s degree from Nebraska Wesleyan University. He is certified in data privacy by the IAPP (CIPP/US) and began working on data privacy issues in the mid-1990’s. Sterling is a frequent industry speaker, including keynote speeches and presenting on privacy issues at South-By-Southwest. He also writes frequently for Thomson Reuters as well as comments on cutting edge legal issues on LinkedIn and Twitter. He recently prepared a teaching module for Baylor Law School on the application of artificial intelligence and the practice of law. He publishes the award-winning legal blog entitled “Ten Things You Need to Know as In-House Counsel.” He has published four books including a book on the evolution of the National Football League and a cookbook, along with two books for the American Bar Association. He coaches in-house lawyers and consults with legal departments around the globe. Sterling also plays in an 80's alternative cover band called "Big Wheel. An in-house legal legend indeed! Connect with Sterling: Website: www.HilgersGraben.com Blog: www.TenThings.net Books: www.SterlingMillerBooks.com Twitter: @10ThingsLegal Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sterlinglmille Email: smiller@hilgersgraben.com and sterling.miller@sbcglobal.net Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Counsel Podcast page on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/counsel-podcast Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

I asked my Instagram followers to #AskMeAnything! A broad question, I know, but I received some fantastic questions. In this bonus long weekend episode, I answer: 1. Which team or department within your organisation do you work best with and why? 2. What would incentivise you to go back working in a law firm? 3. Do you have any advice on approaching firms about potential employment? 4. Do you have a masters degree and do you think it's necessary in house? That was fun! Thanks for your questions. Mel Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

** PART ONE ** Sterling has enjoyed a wide and varied 30-year legal career. He is a three-time general counsel, having served in that role at Silicon Valley-based Marketo, Inc., and at Texas-based travel industry giants Sabre Corporation and Travelocity.com. In January 2019, after leading the legal team that completed the sale of Marketo to Adobe Inc., Sterling returned to the Dallas office of Hilgers Graben PLLC as Senior Counsel where he focuses on litigation, general corporate matters, and data privacy. He earned his law degree from Washington University in St. Louis (with honors) and his bachelor’s degree from Nebraska Wesleyan University. He is certified in data privacy by the IAPP (CIPP/US) and began working on data privacy issues in the mid-1990’s. Sterling is a frequent industry speaker, including keynote speeches and presenting on privacy issues at South-By-Southwest. He also writes frequently for Thomson Reuters as well as comments on cutting edge legal issues on LinkedIn and Twitter. He recently prepared a teaching module for Baylor Law School on the application of artificial intelligence and the practice of law. He publishes the award-winning legal blog entitled “Ten Things You Need to Know as In-House Counsel.” He has published four books including a book on the evolution of the National Football League and a cookbook, along with two books for the American Bar Association. He coaches in-house lawyers and consults with legal departments around the globe. Sterling also plays in an 80's alternative cover band called "Big Wheel. An in-house legal legend indeed! Connect with Sterling: Website: www.HilgersGraben.com Blog: www.TenThings.net Books: www.SterlingMillerBooks.com Twitter: @10ThingsLegal Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sterlinglmille Email: smiller@hilgersgraben.com and sterling.miller@sbcglobal.net Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Mel is the Senior Legal Counsel at Megaport Limited, a global technology company founded in Brisbane. She is a passionate advocate for all things in-house and shares career insights for law students and graduates on Instagram @theinhouselawyer. She serves as a Member of the Queensland Law Society's In-House Committee and as the In-House Advisor to the Women Lawyers Association Queensland. She is excited to have recently launched this podcast and now has her very own hobby to spend time on when Husband, Troy, is at golf (hint: that's often!) Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Jemima is senior lawyer and executive who is passionate about helping other lawyers succeed. She has worked in-house for most of her career and really enjoys the combination of lawyering and being a part of the business. Outside of work, Jemima serves on a number of not for profit boards and tries to teach her small humans to be kind, brave and to have fun. Connect with Jemima: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jemima-harris-21823972/ Website: https://www.lodlaw.com/ Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Instagram: @theinhouselawyer Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Anna Lozynski is an executive general counsel, author and thought-leader. She believes that legal innovation is invigorating, change is energising and efficiency will never go out of fashion. Anna has studied law in Melbourne, Beijing, Utrecht and Boston. Starting out at a major Australian law firm, she has spent the majority of her legal career in-house working in the banking, automotive and cosmetics industries. In 2019 Anna was identified as one of APAC’s Top 10 Most Innovative Lawyers by Financial Times, and sits on the Australian Committee of CLOC (Corporate Legal Operations Consortium) and the Advisory Board of She Breaks The Law - a global networking platform for female disruptors. Described as a change agent, Anna is a sought-after commentator and speaker both domestically and internationally – seeking to shift the dialogue in order to propel the profession forward. Check out Anna's incredible work on all things innovation, including the e-book discussed in the episode: https://annalozynski.com/shop/ Connect with Anna: Instagram: @legallyinnovative LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-lozynski-5899232/ Website: annalozynski.com Connect with Mel: Instagram: @theinhouselawyer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Email: theinhouselawyer@gmail.com

Theo Kapodistrias is a multi-national award-winning lawyer and keynote speaker He has been recognised as a thought-leader in the legal environment, particularly through the achievements in the not-for-profit and voluntary space. He is a corporate lawyer at the University of Tasmania with over 5 years' experience. Theo is a Tasmanian Ambassador and Industry Champion with Business Events Tasmania promoting Tasmania as a key destination for corporate events, the Tasmanian Divisional President and Director of the Association of Corporate Counsel Australia, and an Ambassador with World Idea Day. As a keynote speaker, Theo's focus is on how individuals and emerging leaders can reconnect, reengage and make an impact through utilising their communication, collaboration skills, and connections to strive for positive change in their worlds. Connect with Theo: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theo-kapodistrias/ Instagram: @theokap88 Twitter: @theokap88 Website: www.theokap.com.au Connect with Mel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissastoreyscott/ Instagram: @theinhouselawyer