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- 366 - 330: Frostpunk 2: Climate Video Games and Humane Storytelling at 11 bit studios—w/ Maciej Sułecki of This War of Mine, Frostpunk 1 & 2
Content warning:This episode discusses a scene in a video game that involves sexual assault during war. If you'd like to skip that section, it is from 7:57-8:35. There is a response that discusses the ethical choices in the game beyond that point, but it is more abstract and general about choices.
Video games have not historically been amazing at storytelling. Games prioritize mechanics and gameplay while story takes a backseat. But that isn’t the case at 11 bit studios, which have produced some of the finest video games in recent years, including a series that takes place within a climate-changed world.
Today’s Reversing Climate Changeguest is Maciej Sułecki. Maciej worked on three games that RCChost Ross Kenyon is a huge fan of: This War of Mine, and Frostpunk 1& 2.
The conversation starts with The War of Mine, in which the player plays as a group of civilians trying to survive a fictionalized Siego of Sarajevo. Unlike most war games, the objective is not to win a battle (most characters are ill-suited to fighting) but merely to stay alive and not lose your soul in the process by engaging in unethical or traumatic behavior.
The Frostpunkgames each deal with a world that has iced over, and humanity is barely hanging on. Due to the extreme circumstances of survival, the decisions are hard and the political choices tend toward the extreme. It puts players in the role of deciding how to rank liberal values that we take for granted about the consent of the governed and the political process against survival. What’s more: it doesn’t do this in a straightforward way meant to teach you a lesson—a very unusual quality in any media, let alone a video game!
Ross and Maciej discuss other games and series that have prioritized story to varying degrees such as Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, Papers, Please, and Disco Elysium, and also end up discussing the degree to which Polish history influenced what are otherwise games meant to be universal.
In the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the democratic body of the Sejm had a principle called the Liberum Veto, by which any member of the body could veto a policy. While this was a beautiful idea, it made it easy for members to be bribed by outsiders to block policy changes and cease the development of the state. By some accounts, it led to the weakening of the Polish state and therefore its ultimate susceptibility to the Polish Partitions. Did that influence the gamemakers thoughts on democracy? Is there such a thing as a universal game, or does all art spring from our experience, cultural or otherwise?
Tue, 12 Nov 2024 - 47min - 365 - 329: The “Faustian Bargain” in Climate Rhetoric: Goethe’s Faust & Modern Occultism—w/ Daniel Backer, author
In discussions about technology, and maybe especially within climatetech, the concept of the "Faustian bargain" is common. But what does it actually mean, and is it as simple as concept as it is typically considered?
In today's special Halloween episode, Reversing Climate Change host, Ross Kenyon, intros the show by giving the necessary historical context to understand Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s Faust, and to contrast it against Christophe Marlowe’s Doctor Faustus.Get ready for a dose of Romanticism.
When the Faustian bargain is invoked, it usually means a bad deal—one with no upside except for a short-sighted one. And that may be true for Marlowe’s Faust, but Goethe’s Faust wins his bet with Mephistopheles and his soul is never damned. What does that mean for how we use the term, when persistent survival if not actual upside is reintroduced into the Faustian bargain? What if, at least according to Goethe, making a deal with the devil isn’t always as straightforwardly bad as one might think?
Today’s guest is frequent podcast alumni and multihyphenate, Daniel Backer. Daniel produces virtuosic music, writes insightful novels, and creates video content about literary fiction on both his YouTube and TikTok channels. Be sure to follow his work!
Daniel and Ross spend much of the show exploring what it does to one’s brain to take claims of high strangeness, the paranormal, and the occult seriously, and why horror films (especially those of Ari Aster) deserve a better reputation.
Happy Halloween!
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The Grounded podcast takes over Reversing Climate Change! Tom Previte of The Carbon Removal Show, founded a new biochar company in the United Kingdom called Restord. And like any good podcaster, he decided to make a show about it!
Grounded: A Climate Startup Journey, just wrapped its five-episode first season documenting Tom's attempts to start a new biochar company. He walks listeners through so many of the basic questions of starting a business, and specifically a business in a new category like carbon removal. What standard should one try to work within? Which parts of the life-cycle assessment matter? Who actually wants this product?!
What's especially novel about this episode is that Tom and his producer Ben Weaver-Hincks produced it in the style of Grounded, with voiceover segments and various other effects!
Tom and Ross talk about how to make podcasts about carbon removal interesting, how various design decisions impact quality and frequency of publishing, and what we can do to get more people into CDR and climate action through creative media work.
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How do we conduct science when there isn't a single isolated variable? What does that mean for carbon removal not taking place in a controlled environment? How does science even work?!
Today's show originated from a question of how open-system carbon removal research can be conducted given that in a less-controlled environment, isolating for a single variable with replicability is less obviously possible. Does the scientific method really demand that, or is that some sort of pop culture understanding of science that needs to be challegned?
To answer that question, host and co-founder of the Nori carbon removal marketplace, Ross Kenyon, asked Dr. Holly Jean Buck of the University at Buffalo and Anu Khan of Carbon180, to read two books and come on Reversing Climate Changeto discuss them.
The two texts are some of the foundational works of modern philosophy of science: Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, and Paul Feyerabend's Against Method.
Kuhn argued that paradigms are the collection of foundational beliefs we have about how science and knowledge production is conducted, and that they are quite hard to see outside of since most people work so deeply within them. It can often be a generational effort, as older scientists die and new ones take their places.
Feyerabend goes further, arguing that we shouldn't just look for where one paradigm supersedes another, but be protective of competing systems of knowledge and the valuable ways of seeing that they unlock.
The show applies their learnings to the state of the CDR industry, and attempts to ferret out carbon removal's existing paradigm, whether the world is ready for credits that are not tonne-denominated, and how much time we can afford in retooling and letting "normal science" work within an imperfect paradigm vs. trying to create an entirely new paradigm ex nihilo.
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Thu, 06 Jun 2024 - 57min - 362 - 326: Confronting Our Shadow: Jung, The Vietnam War, & Climate Change—w/ Karl Marlantes, author
What is it like to go to war? What does the experience have to teach us, and could it in any way be a spiritual endeavor? What does the Temple of Mars have to teach us in a climate-changing world?
Karl Marlantes is a Rhodes Scholar who put aside graduate studies at Oxford University to lead a Marine rifle platoon in Vietnam in 1968. He is featured extensively in the Ken Burns/Lynn Novick documentary series, The Vietnam War. His memoir, What It Is Like to Go to War, and novel, Matterhorn, address what we ask our nation’s young warriors to do from within a cultural environment that denies the multifaceted truth of what it means to be a warrior. His recent novels Deep Riverand Cold Victoryaddress big questions of agency and what it means to recognize oneself as a historical actor.
Is combat terrifying? Exhilarating? Mystical? Carnal? Is it everything all at once? If we only acknowledge the experience as negative, how might that cause repression and misunderstanding in a world unlikely to leave war behind permanently?
If climate change is not successfully addressed as soon as possible, the geopolitical situation may become more rivalrous and difficult. We need to understand the nature of war, of our relationship to our shadow, in order to chart an honest course to a better future.
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Thu, 30 May 2024 - 1h 12min - 361 - 325: Literally Redoing the Oregon Trail: An Eccentric Environmental History—w/ Rinker Buck, author and adventurer
If you're going to write about the Oregon Trail or the Mississippi flatboat era, why not go gonzo? Does it make for better history or just better bar stories? What can you really learn about change by recreating epic journeys in contemporary times, and what can that teach us about how we live upon this planet?
Today, adventurer and author Rinker Buck is on the show to discuss his odysseys. In particular, his flatboat ride from Pittsburgh to New Orleans, and his mulecart passage of the entire Oregon Trail. If you're gasping reading that last sentence, you need to read his books.
Obviously, these landscapes have massively changed over the centuries, and their environmental history reflects human wants and desires, some good and others less so. How are they shadows of their former selves, which could you not tell which century you're currently in, and which are making beautiful comebacks? What does it teach us about the country so many of our listeners call home? How does the American experience prepare or fail to prepare us for a climate-changed world?
Rinker discusses his particular approach to participatory history, why he doesn't like reenactment as a paradigm, and why he bothers with the Heraclean effort for which some might deem him a "conquistador of the useless."
Tune in and learn from Rinker's hard-earned experience and observations!
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Women's Diaries of the Westward Journeyby Lillian Schlissel
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Thu, 16 May 2024 - 1h 07min - 360 - 324: My Octopus Teacher: How Rewilding Ourselves Could Heal the Planet—w/ Craig Foster, Oscar Winner and Author of Amphibious Soul
When the world feels increasingly tame, what does it mean to reclaim our wildness? Can we appreciate the benefits of industrial civilization while connecting with our evolutionary roots? Can we get ourselves back to the garden?
In this poignant conversation, Academy Award-winning filmmaker Craig Foster shares insights from his experiences diving in the Great African Sea Forest and the inspiration behind his new book, Amphibious Soul: Finding the Wild in a Tame World.
Host and Nori Co-Founder Ross Kenyon asks Craig some unanswered questions he has about My Octopus Teacher, the experience of fame from winning the 2021 Best Documentary Feature Oscar, whether evolution has prepared us for fame, and Craig's adjustment back to civilian life.
Craig discusses the profound lessons learned from marine life, emphasizing the importance of a deep connection with nature and the critical role biodiversity plays in the survival of our planet.
Ross and Craig discuss their various stories of interspecies communication and what it means to build a thread to a species and learn their language. They explore themes of kinship with nature, the significance of tracking as an ancient fundamental language, and the transformative power of cold water immersion. Plunge for the planet!
The discussion also touches on Craig's marine conservation efforts through the Sea Change Project and introduces a unique multimedia aspect of his book that aims to enhance readers' connection to nature.
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Thu, 09 May 2024 - 54min - 359 - 323: Is the Rise of a Global Middle Class Good for Climate?—w/ Dr. Homi Kharas, author of The Rise of the Global Middle Class
The world is becoming wealthier. Is that a good thing? Or should we be looking to simpler and less material lives? How does a middle class global population affect climate change, for good or ill?
On today's show, Dr. Homi Kharas, a senior fellow at The Brookings Institution and author of The Rise of the Global Middle Class: How the Search for the Good Life Can Change the World, elaborates on what it means to be middle class, emphasizing the relevance of choice as a defining characteristic. People drop the concept all the time, but it isn't really clear what is meant by it. Is it about per capita earnings? Security? The type of labor done? Something else?
He explores how the middle class's values and choices intersect with issues like climate change and government policy. Dr. Kharas sheds light on the evolution of capitalism, arguing that it has always adapted to societal changes, and suggests that this continued evolution is optimism-inspiring.
He counters the narrative of a trade-off between material prosperity and carbon emissions, asserting that technology can and should allow for both!
Tune in today to get a dose of history and economics!
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Thu, 02 May 2024 - 48min - 358 - 322: On Being a Climate Hypocrite—w/ Amie Engerbretson, pro skier and filmmaker of The Hypocrite
You are condemned to be free, and yet how much responsibility do you bear for the structures you inhabit? Do your individual consumer choices matter, or is it some distant political economy? Should we enjoy our time in nature on snowmobiles, or is that just one more bootprint on the road to hypocritical perdition? Do you need to be perfect in order to be an activist?
In this episode, Nori cofounder Ross Kenyon, and Thanks-A-Ton cofounder Siobhan Montoya Lavender, discuss the new short film from Protect Our Winters and professional skier Amy Engerbretson, The Hypocrite.
In this wide-ranging discussion, Amy discusses why she made The Hypocrite, which deals with how she went from climate ignorance, through the guilt of her carbon footprint and that of skiing, and became an imperfect climate advocate.
She emphasizes the importance of systemic solutions over individual perfectionism, revealing the often-paralyzing effects of aiming for personal purity in environmental activism. The film aims to inspire action by showcasing the power of collective efforts in outdoor communities, urging listeners to engage civically beyond mere personal adjustments, while also discussing whether duty must be done for its own sakes, regardless of how big of an impact it might have.
The session concludes with Amy's thoughts on political will as the paramount force for climate change mitigation, encouragement for involvement with organizations like Protect Our Winters, and the value of messy, imperfect advocacy.
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Thu, 25 Apr 2024 - 58min - 357 - 321: Metalplant's Debut! Enhanced Rock Weathering, Coproducing Nickel, & Additionality—w/ Eric Matzner, Cofounder of Metalplant
Carbon removal is often conceived of as only separating greenhouse gases from ambient air. But what if it also creates other valuable products in the process? Should they still be selling carbon credits? Does this competition make it harder for carbon removal companies that can't produce additional value streams? What are the trade-offs here, and is financial additionality the right place to intervene if intervention is even necessary?
In this episode of the Reversing Climate Change podcast, Nori Cofounder Ross Kenyon interviews Eric Matzner, an alumnus of Carbon Removal Newsroomand Cofounder of Project Vesta who has a new venture leaving stealth mode called Metalplant. This is Metalplant's podcast debut!
This innovative project combines hyperaccumulator plants and enhanced rock weathering to extract nickel from soil and crushed rock while removing carbon from the air. Eric discusses the economics of co-producing nickel and carbon offsets, addressing the challenges of carbon removal scale-up, and his views on the importance of vertical integration in ensuring quality and cost control. The episode delves into Metalplant's initial operations in Albania, leveraging the country's rich olivine resources on non-arable land, and generating local employment.
Much of the conversation focuses on a possibly looming intellectual crisis in carbon removal: what does the industry do when it realizes that many of its methodologies are co-producing value besides carbon? Will it try to find a way to square that with conventional applications of financial additionality, or will they abandon or amend additionality to make sure co-producers aren't held down while the world desperately needs them to scale their operations?
So much to talk about, and there will almost certainly be more on this topic in the future!
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Thu, 11 Apr 2024 - 53min - 356 - 320: Why We Die: Living Longer's Impact on Climate Change—w/ Dr. Venki Ramakrishnan, Nobel Laureate and author of Why We Die
Why does death exist? Does getting older always mean getting wiser? Should we look to experience or youth for breakthroughs?
In today's episode of the Reversing Climate Changepodcast, Nori Cofounder Ross Kenyon is joined by Dr. Venki Ramakrishnan, a 2009 Nobel Laureate in chemistry and author of the new book, Why We Die: The New Science of Aging and the Quest for Immortality.
Despite growing lifespans, it isn't clear that we have become less avaricious or kinder as a species, at least to the extent that may be desired. Would that change if we had radically longer lives? Is that even likely at this point? Venki challenges much of the discourse around anti-aging, immortality, trends made fun of in Silicon Valleylike blood boys, consciousness uploads, and much else. And of course, they discuss if and how this will impact the world's attempts to grapple with climate change.
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Thu, 04 Apr 2024 - 54min - 355 - 319: How Nori Rebranded: A Case Study—w/ Heidi Sloane, Nori's Senior Marketing Manager
How should a climatetech company think about its brand? What if it's B2B? What if it needs to be both trustworthy and idiosyncratic at the same time?!
In today's episode of Reversing Climate Change, Nori Cofounder, Ross Kenyon, is joined by his colleague, Heidi Sloane, Nori's Senior Marketing Manager. Heidi led Nori's recent rebrand, which took it from a more playful B2C feel to something more sturdy and B2B. We used the agency Odi to help us with it. Great job, Odi!
Heidi explains how a brand can retain its personality and uniqueness while also communicating that it is serious about what it does and can be trusted. Just because one can sometimes act like a clown, doesn't mean one needs to dress like one. If you don't believe me, ask Leslie Nielson.
They also discuss how to lead stakeholder engagement in a way that minimizes conflict or typical committee dysfunction and make sure feedback is heard and synthesized without fetishizing consensus.
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Tue, 02 Apr 2024 - 46min - 354 - 318: Is the Climate Cooking Craze Missing the Point?—w/ Tamar Adler, author of An Everlasting Meal
Seems like a new book on climate-friendly cooking is constantly being released. Do they matter, or do they unfairly place the burden of political economy and social change on the lowly consumer? What type of cooking might actually be impactful, and why? Why do we even bother cooking anyway?
In today's Reversing Climate Change podcast, Nori Cofounder and Director of Creative & Marketing, Ross Kenyon, is joined by Tamar Adler, a James Beard awardee and author of several books, including An Everlasting Meal: Cooking with Economy and Grace,The Everlasting Meal Cookbook: Leftovers A-Z, andSomething Old, Something New: Classic Recipes Revised.
Tamar shares her unique approach to cooking which emphasizes the beauty of the endless transformation of ingredients, utilizing and elevating leftovers, and making food an enduring lifestyle rather than a collection of discrete meals.
This focus on transformation, leftovers, and creatively utilizing so many of the parts we often throw away, has an obvious climate angle. But Tamar isn't convinced that's the best reason to pursue her way of cooking, and in fact, doing it for political purposes may make it hard to sustain for the same reasons that diets are hard to sustain: if it isn't joyful, it's a burden. And if it's a burden, it is so much harder to sustain.
Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of An Everlasting Meal, and subscribe to Tamar's new Substack, The Kitchen Shrink, where you can ask her all of the cooking questions you've kept locked in your root cellar.
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The Supper of the Lamb: A Culinary Reflectionby Robert Farrar Capon
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Thu, 21 Mar 2024 - 53min - 353 - 317: Will Space Settlements Save Us from Climate Calamity?—w/ Zach & Kelly Weinersmith, authors of A City on Mars
Off-world settlements are sometimes proposed as an insurance policy for Earthlings. Or as an escape for the super-rich. Is it actually either of those things? How should we be considering humanity's relationship to the cosmos and off-world civilization? And is the Overview Effect worth a damn?
On today's episode of the Reversing Climate Changepodcast, Nori carbon removal marketplace Cofounder Ross Kenyon is joined by Zach Weinersmith and Dr. Kelly Weinersmith, science educators and authors all. Zach is also the person behind the long-running internet comic SMBC (Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal). They are the authors of the new book, A City on Mars: Can We Settle Space, Should We Settle Space, and Have We Really Thought This Through?
Zach and Kelly are both sympathetic to space exploration, being avowed geeks of the subject matter. And yet, the further they dug into basically every facet of life off-world, the less likely it seems our species is ready for the challenges.
Whether it be the ease of hurling celestial objects back at Earth, the collapsing bone density of space denizens, the uncertainty of reproduction in low-gravity environments and therefore the necessity of experimenting without consent upon children, the cost, the geopolitics, the near-term impossibility of independence from Earth, and an entire book's worth of other concerns, it just doesn't seem like becoming a trans-Earth civilization is the solution or problem that its supporters or critics, respectively, have believed it is.
These are all worthy areas of research. Tune in to learn more and why Zach & Kelly are still exuberant space nerds, and how to keep space in mind with regard to climate change.
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Soonish: Ten Emerging Technologies That'll Improve and/or Ruin Everything
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Thu, 07 Mar 2024 - 53min - 352 - 316: How Animals (and Nutrient Pumps!) Make Our World—w/ Dr. Joe Roman, author of Eat, Poop, Die
Nutrients on Earth are essential for life on Earth. But they aren't evenly distributed. How do they end up in different places, and how does that affect life on Earth? How does life even work?!
In this episode of the Reversing Climate Change podcast, Nori Cofounder Ross Kenyon is joined by Dr. Joe Roman, a conservation biologist and author of Eat, Poop, Die: How Animals Make Our World.
An established view of how ecosystems emerge and change is through bottom-up processes, e.g. through chemistry or microorganisms. In this view, animals are often seen more as visitors passing through rather than as transformative agents themselves. Joe challenges this concept, arguing that much research has shown just how much mammals can change ecosystems, as well as carbon and nitrogen cycles! This has impacts for carbon removal, from ecosystem restoration to iron fertilization of the Southern Ocean.
The conversation also explores the complex relationship humans have with predators and rewilding, and our desire to simplify our environments, often to our peril. This legibility and safety, however, can often mean ecological sterility. Ross shares his experience raising urban chickens in an environment filled with raccoons.
Joe also talks about his ongoing research project on whales and the Great Whale Conveyor Belt, and his interest in studying invasive species as a source of food for humans.
This is one of those episodes that touches so much about our shared world!
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Thu, 22 Feb 2024 - 56min - 351 - 315: What Is Regenerative Agriculture? An Introduction!—w/ Jada Dormaier, Supply Account Manager at Nori
What does it mean to farm regeneratively? Or to farm conventionally, for that matter? Is regenerative agriculture size-dependent? What are its benefits and how does it work?
Today's Reversing Climate Change podcast episode has Jada Dormaier, Supply Account Manager at the Nori carbon removal marketplace, join Nori Cofounder and Director of Creative & Marketing, Ross Kenyon, to discuss regenerative ag.
Like our recent show reintroducing carbon removal generally, we thought it was a good idea to go back to basics on regenerative agriculture. We've put out lots of shows on the topic, but sometimes you need to redo the 101 and catch those newer to the topic up to speed.
In this show, Jada talks about growing up on a farm, working in farm insurance, and then at Nori for the last several years. She has a huge amount of experience with farmers working to change their practices and just make sure their businesses stay afloat. There are plenty of misconceptions about food, farming, rural communities, and agriculture, and Jada shares her experience of what to keep in mind on the topic.
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S2E57: Farming While Black: race and regenerative agriculture—w/ Leah Penniman of Soul Fire Farms
309: Will Harris's Legendary Regenerative Agriculture Journey, AKA A Bold Return to Giving a Damn
S2E44: Can permaculture scale?-w/Mark Shepard, author of Restoration Agriculture
Tue, 20 Feb 2024 - 19min - 350 - 314: Will Catholic Integralism Be a Force in World Politics?—w/ Dr. Kevin Vallier, Author & Associate Professor at BGSU
Does liberalism's attempt to let us all pursue different visions of the good life ironically make the good life even harder to achieve? Should there be an established church? Are the people who hold these ideas politically ascendent, or likely to remain part of a small counter-revolutionary fringe?
In this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Nori Cofounder Ross Kenyon invites Dr. Kevin Vallier, Associate Professor and Director of the Philosophy, Politics, and Economics program at Bowling Green State University, on to discuss the rise(?) of Catholic integralist thought, with which he engages in his latest book, All the Kingdoms of the World: On Radical Religious Alternatives to Liberalism.
Vallier provides a comprehensive overview of integralism, a formerly default ideological perspective derived from various religious traditions (but especially Catholicism), which advocates for religious governance and the intertwining of church and state. He lays out its history, core ideas, and some speculation on its sociology.
Critics of modernity argue that free choice has led to a libertinism that has lowered standards and made us less happy and that we should return to an explicitly religiously ordered society with established churches and codes of behavior. Liberalism, in trying to be all things to all people, has made it adaptive but offering very little public meaning. That, it turns out, is the responsibility of the private person.
Vallier steelmans these ideas to the best of his ability in an attempt to reckon with them as a a devout member of the Orthodox Church, while also defending the importance of the liberal tradition.
Of course, were liberalism to be replaced by such a tradition, there are huge open questions of how that might impact world politics and climate action. Vallier predicts (and maybe even hopes) it remains a small intellectual insurgency rather than becoming what its advocates desire.
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All the Kingdoms of the World: On Radical Religious Alternatives to Liberalism
The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP)
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 - 1h 02min - 349 - 313: Can Carbon Removal Be Insured?—w/ Racheal Notto & James Kench, Kita
When people think about innovation in carbon removal, they're probably thinking about physics or materials science. How do we make CDR faster, cheaper, more durable, or use less energy? What if we told you that a lot of the innovation that is coming is financial and/or contractual?
In this episode of the Reversing Climate Change podcast, Nori Cofounder Ross Kenyon and Nori CEO Matt Trudeau are joined by Racheal Notto, Director of Carbon Markets Engagement at Kita, and James Kench, the Head of Insurance at Kita. Their conversation explores how insurance can play a key role in managing risks within the carbon markets, and why it isn't already more of a player. Insurance companies are the professed masters of risk management. Carbon markets have a fair amount of risk. Shouldn't there be a bigger crossover?!
Kita, a London-based insurance company focusing specifically on insuring carbon projects, explains their goal of derisking high-quality carbon projects, and what that can add to all players in the space.
The discussants weigh the pros and cons of buffer pools vs. insurance and get answers for why some high-quality carbon removal projects may actually be uninsurable.
Insurance is important for any industry to grow. This could be a sign of another step in the carbon removal sector's growing maturity.
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Thu, 08 Feb 2024 - 1h 00min - 348 - 312: Nori's collab with the Texas Climate-Smart Initiative—w/ Dr. Julie Howe, Professor of Soil Science & Project Director of TCSI
Everyone right now is talking about regenerative agriculture. What does it look like when major cash crops work to improve their practices? How can the Department of Agriculture and agricultural science programs at universities support the changes so that major commodity operations can derisk their transition?
In today's episode of Reversing Climate Change, Nori Cofounder Ross Kenyon is joined by Nori Supply Account Manager, Jada Dormaier, to discuss Nori's partnership with the Texas Climate-Smart Initiative. Dr. Julie Howe, Project Director of the program and Soil Scientist at Texas A&M, joins the show to talk about her work trying to understand nutrient cycling and change the way we farm.
The conversation delves into Dr. Howe's background and what led her to focus on soil chemistry and eventually agricultural sustainability, which is a hot topic even in places some might not expect. It isn't all about yield!
They explore the complexities of agricultural research within an open system with countless variables, which hurts Ross's brain, before moving into a discussion about carbon credits and how farmers can consider these opportunities and additional government programs for ecosystem services.
Dr. Howe emphasizes the importance of implementing climate-smart farming practices, not only for the environment but also for the sustainability and profitability of farming operations. Listen in to get a glimpse inside Nori and the Texas Climate-Smart Initiative.
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:38 Dr. Julie Howe's Journey into Agriculture
02:09 The Intersection of Agriculture and Environmental Sustainability
03:34 The Challenges and Risks in Farming
11:20 The Role of Climate Smart Initiative in Agriculture
16:53 The Process and Benefits of Joining Climate Programs
24:52 The Science and Challenges of Agricultural Research
37:27 Encouraging Farmers to Join Climate Programs
40:42 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Thu, 01 Feb 2024 - 41min - 347 - 311: Carbon Removal 101: What is CDR?!—w/ Radhika Moolgavkar, Head of Supply and Methodology at Nori
Reversing Climate Changeis many things: a repository of deep dives into carbon removal, a way to intimately understand the thought processes of the folks at Nori working to build a scalable carbon removal marketplace, and a massive catalogue of the infinite number of climate-adjacencies that tickle host Ross Kenyon's brain. And sometimes you've got to get back to basics and reintroduce a topic to catch new listeners up. To that effect, today's show is twenty minutes on the basics of carbon removal.
In this episode, Ross Kenon, Cofounder of and Director of Creative & Marketing at the Nori carbon removal marketplace, chats with Nori's Head of Supply and Methodology, Radhika Moolgavkar, about carbon removal—what it is and why it's necessary.
They discuss the differences between open and closed CDR systems, the need for a combination of all carbon removal technologies, and why carbon accounting is so complex. They also touch on the intersection of carbon removal technologies with the oil and gas industry and the geopolitical considerations involved in carbon removal strategies.
The episode serves as a resource for listeners who are new to the concept of carbon removal! If you are new to CDR, start here!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
00:41 Understanding Carbon Removal
03:18 The Importance of Carbon Removal
05:40 Types of Carbon Removal
14:02 Challenges in Carbon Accounting
18:16 The Role of Oil and Gas in Carbon Removal
19:55 Conclusion
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Tue, 30 Jan 2024 - 20min - 346 - 310: The Role of Product Leadership at a Climatetech Company—w/ Patrick Tsao, Head of Product at Nori
What does it mean to work "in Product", let alone at a company working on climate change? What is the difference between Product and Engineering? And what the hell are they building in there anyways?! In this conversation, Nori cofounder Ross Kenyon is joined by Nori's Head of Product, Patrick Tsao, to discuss Patrick's role in scaling climate action. How much of this work is strategy, how much is building tools, and are we meant to be empirical or aprioristic "first principles" thinkers? What are the risks of each? Patrick emphasizes the struggle of understanding and meeting customers' goals in the constantly evolving #carbonmarket, and when and how to work on education beyond the norm. We aim to be doing more regular Product updates moving forward!
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Thu, 18 Jan 2024 - 46min - 345 - 309: Will Harris's Legendary Regenerative Agriculture Journey, AKA A Bold Return to Giving a Damn
What does regenerative agriculture mean to you? Whither Big Regen?
To Will Harris, author of A Bold Return to Giving a Damn, One Farm, Six Generations, and the Future of Food,it means restarting the cycles of nature—making them healthy again. This week on Reversing Climate Change, Ross Kenyon and Jada Dormaier from Nori are joined by Will Harris to discuss his remarkable journey from industrial to regenerative farming.
The conversation is simultaneously a beginners introduction, and a deep dive into regenerative farming practices.
The conversation covers the shift from efficiency, the complexities of greenwashing in agriculture, the role of big food companies, the challenges in balancing local and national food production, and the intricacies of feeding the world while considering the environmental consequences of commercial farming. Oh, and don’t forget carbon credits.
Tune in to explore the nuanced goal of creating food systems that are good for the planet, animals, and eaters.
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University of Georgia Animal and Dairy ScienceThu, 11 Jan 2024 - 50min - 344 - 308: Surviving and Thriving in a Disaster Situation—w/ Bill Fulton & Jeanne Chilton Devon, authors of Survive and Thrive: How to Prepare for Any Disaster Without Ammo, Camo, or Eating Your Neighbor
A disaster has arrived. Do you have the right supplies? The right mindset? Are you ready?
Last time this topic came up, we spoke with David Pogue on enormous questions of how to choose where to live and to make sure you are relatively prepared for the climate-changed future. This show is downstream from there: what do you do given that you potentially are not moving somewhere else and need to keep yourself and family safe immediately?
In this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Ross Kenyon hosts Jeanne Chilton Devon and Bill Fulton, authors of Survive and Thrive: How to Prepare for Any Disaster Without Ammo, Camo, or Eating Your Neighbor; and The Blood of Patriots: How I Took Down an Anti-Government Militia with Beer, Bounty Hunting, and Badassery.
They discuss the importance of being prepared for disasters, triggered by their experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic. They emphasise that preparation helps reduce anxiety, arguing that a sense of control enables individuals to cope with disasters effectively.
They also recommend various practical aspects including water, food storage, security and mental wellness, and urge people to custom-build their survival kits, taking into account their specific situations. They advocate for community-level preparation (AKA knowing your neighbors), incorporating knowledge-sharing and developing interpersonal relationships.
The discussion also stresses the role of sustainability and self-sufficiency in disaster preparedness, especially in the context of climate change.
Tune in to get primed to think about disaster response in a climate context!
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The Blood of Patriots: How I Took Down an Anti-Government Militia with Beer, Bounty Hunting, and Badassery by Jeanne Chilton Devon & Bill Fulton
Homestead Survival: An Insider's Guide to Your Great Escape by Marty Raney
The episode of Reversing Climate Change where we discuss insurance, how to choose a physical location for your dwelling, which parts of the country to live in, etc.: "Climate Prepping: How Should Your Family Adapt?—w/ David Pogue, author of How to Prepare for Climate Change"
Thu, 04 Jan 2024 - 58min - 343 - 307: The Rise of Corporate Insetting?!—w/ Lia Nicholson, Head of Sustainability at Terrascope
Is there a tectonic shift away from corporate offsetting and into corporate insetting?
In this episode of Reversing Climate Change, we sat down with Lia Nicholson, Head of Sustainability at Terrascope, to discuss the sexiest topic of all—carbon accounting.
Historically, corporations faced justified criticism for opting to buy low-quality carbon offsets instead of making tangible efforts to reduce their own emissions. Lia highlights a significant recent shift from traditional offsetting to insetting, where companies account for carbon-negative behavior within their value chain rather than outsourcing it to a service provider.
As corporations worldwide scramble to mitigate their carbon footprints, understanding how emissions are calculated and reduced becomes paramount. But how should accounting of emissions be structured?Lia lays out how in a typical company, some 85% of emissions can come from the company’s value chain. Discover how reducing scope 3 emissions is about leverage and influence. As Lia puts it, “the point of corporate accounting is not to add up all the company’s emissions; it’s really to look at where that company has influence on those emissions.
Tune in to explore insights into the standards bodies that corporate accountants refer to, the implications of the new EU carbon border adjustment tax, and how the winds of opportunity, born from disasters, can be harnessed to drive real environmental change.
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Thu, 21 Dec 2023 - 52min - 342 - 306: Carbon removal boots on the COP28 ground—w/ Tito Jankowski, CEO of AirMiners
What's the hallway buzz about carbon removal in Dubai? Is carbon removal a fringe topic or top of mind for attendees? And what's it mean for major climate events to happen in petrostates? Who's ready for Baku, 2024?!
It’s COP28, the 28th Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), the international gathering at which member nations converge to outline their ambitions and responsibilities in regards to climate change.
Reversing Climate Changehost Ross Kenyon spoke with Tito Jankowski, CEO of Airminers, who was literally in Dubai while recording. Tito shared a firsthand account of what it is like being on the ground at this controversial COP chatting about climate action and carbon removal.
Tito finds that the critical question he keeps coming back to is “Do you think carbon removal is necessary for a sustainable climate?”If the answer to that is no, where do you go from there? Every nine days we put another billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Ross and Tito talk about temperature control as a possible reframe (and its possible geoengineering connotations and whether that matters), the cultural landscape of the UAE, and whether next year's COP in Azerbaijan gives OPEC nations a stake in fossil fuel phaseout or enables delay.
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Thu, 14 Dec 2023 - 45min - 341 - S3E64: Disease and Health Risks of a Changing Climate—w/ Zoya Teirstein, staff writer at Grist
Forget merely about melting polar ice caps—expansion of deadly diseases is possibly the true Pandora’s Box that climate change is rapidly opening.
In this episode of Reversing Climate Change, host Ross Kenyon is rejoined by Zoya Teirstein, staff writer at Grist, to discuss the intricate and chilling intersection of climate change and disease.
The way Zoya puts it, climate change is taking the Earth and shaking it like a snowglobe: pathogens are meeting up in new configurations and wreaking havoc. She covers these proliferating diseases and their connection to climate change in her timely beat at Grist.
Learn how bacteria is traveling up the coast due to warming temperatures - accessing geographies where doctors are not familiar and not prepared to deal with the resulting, often fatal, illnesses.
Beyond the rising temperatures creating breeding grounds for deadly mosquitoes, and disrupted ecosystems with unpredictable consequences, the episode explores the challenging discussions around managed retreat and adaptation.
While the threat of mass death from heat waves exceeds critical thresholds, the conversation also unveils rays of hope—community resilience, the potential for preventable deaths through early action, and the ultimate cure lying in reversing climate change.
This critical wake-up call and call to action underscore the urgency of addressing the disease dilemmas caused by climate change. Share, discuss, and unite in the fight for a healthier planet.
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Boots on the Ground articleThu, 07 Dec 2023 - 59min - 340 - S3E63: Radical Honesty & Alan Watts w/ Ed Begley, Jr.—a Hollywood climate veteran and author of To the Temple of Tranquility...And Step On It!
"I won't be able to live with the realization that I could have done more and I didn't."
In this episode of Reversing Climate Change, host Ross Kenyon engages in a candid conversation with Ed Begley, Jr., a seasoned environmental activist and Hollywood actor. Unpacking his Hollywood journey and introducing his memoir, To the Temple of Tranquility and Step on It!, Ed provides a humorous yet insightful look into his life and passion for the environment.
Ed's unique perspective on climate change, shaped by his experiences with addiction and an intense pursuit of the low-carbon lifestyle, becomes a focal point as he explores the healing power of honesty, both personally and globally.
What is the role of personal action? Find out how Ed has learned over the years that a 'tripod approach' is critical to moving the needle on actionable change. What should the balance be between mindfulness and standing still vs. anger and activism? Balancing seriousness with a touch of humor, Ed and Ross discuss the role of laughter in climate change activism.
Tune in to glimpse the joy of living a low carbon life from the Zelig/Forrest Gump of Hollywood.
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To the Temple of Tranquility...And Step On It!: A Memoir by Ed Begley, Jr.
This Is It: and Other Essays on Zen and the Spiritual Experience by Alan Watts
The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are by Alan Watts
Matt Stone & Trey Parker’s animated lectures of Alan Watts
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Thu, 30 Nov 2023 - 28min - 339 - S3E62: The Subtle Beauty of a Tiny Life—w/ Helen Rebanks, shepherd and author of The Farmer's Wife: My Life in Days
Can a tiny life be meaningful? For this Thanksgiving Day episode of Reversing Climate Change, join us for stories about food, family, connection, and love. Ross reaches across the pond to speak with Helen Rebanks, farmer, shepherd, and author of The Farmer's Wife: My Life in Days. She is the wife of another farmer, James Rebanks, author of The Shepherd's Life: Modern Dispatches from an Ancient Landscape, and Pastoral Song: A Farmer’s Journey, and each of them are personally prominent in the books of the other! From the serene and rugged Lake District in England, Helen shares the unique experience of life on their family farm, emphasizing the intrinsic value of domesticity amid the prevailing focus on individualism in modern society. Learn how Helen views regenerative shepherding methods, such as mob grazing, and their collaborative harmony with nature. What role does she believe local, organic, regenerative, traditional, and sustainable agriculture can play in empowering farmers as heroes in the fight against climate change? Helen's insights extend to the realm of cooking and food production, advocating for a departure from the industrial food system. What power do consumers, especially parents, hold in influencing the food industry and shaping a more sustainable future?
Tune in for a glimpse into a tiny life, and to discover the importance and value of the mundane.
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Michael PollanThu, 23 Nov 2023 - 47min - 338 - S3E61: Climate Prepping: How Should Your Family Adapt?—w/ David Pogue, author of How to Prepare for Climate Change
Starbucks is finding new mountains to grow coffee on, agribusiness is developing drought resistant seeds, and the governments are building seawalls. So what can individuals and families do to adapt themselves?!
This week Ross is joined by David Pogue, CBS News Sunday Morning correspondent, former New York Times weekly tech columnist, and author of How to Prepare for Climate Change: A Practical Guide to Surviving the Chaos.
How do we adapt to the safety risks of major disasters? Should we embrace firearm ownership for when society breaks down? Or is a tactical flashlight a better idea? How much food and water should you have in your cellar?
Ross and David discuss the ins and outs of climate adaptation: maybe you shouldn’t be where you are… If you have a choice, there are some climate geographies much more resilient than others (hint: here comes the Rust Belt renaissance and the Midwest’s time to shine.)
The conversation delves into the psychology of adaptation: certain demographics are not yet ready to admit that the planet is radically changing, while 40% of middle schoolers are now convinced that the world will end in their lifetime. Will adaptive actions actually make us feel better about the climate future?
Tune into this episode to learn what you can be doing to adapt to climate change and to learn which state is the most flooded (another hint: it’s not on the coast), why disease may be the most underrated climate risk out there, how the climate-concerned may invest, and how you can talk to your children about climate adaptation.
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Thu, 16 Nov 2023 - 52min - 337 - S3E60: Are carbon credits more like bonds or precious metals?—w/ Tommy Ricketts of BeZero Carbon
Do carbon credit ratings help or harm the growth of carbon markets? How important is standardization to liquidity? Should we look to lessons from the bond market? Equities? Commodities? Derivatives? Precious metals? Real estate?! Get ready to go full high finance — it’s a show about market structure.
In this episode, Reversing Climate Change’s host and Nori Co-founder Ross Kenyon is joined by Tommy Ricketts, CEO and Co-founder of BeZero Carbon, a carbon credit ratings agency, and Matt Trudeau, the CEO of Nori, for a friendly debate about how the industry rates and prices carbon credits.
What do you do with heterogeneous credits? And what is the overall price of carbon — what is the price-setting instrument? Should or could there be an idealized financial instrument that represents a tonne of perfect carbon removal? What does this unlock? What might it obscure?
The discussion revolves around the vital role of project-level quality in the carbon market and the significance of a risk-based approach. Tommy sheds light on the creation of BeZero Carbon and its mission to distinguish the quality of carbon credits. The conversation underscores the potential growth constraints of striving for perfection in carbon markets. The trio explore the evolving landscape of carbon credit markets, the possibility of governmental intervention, and the role of private capital in fueling climate-positive projects.Tune in to tickle the market structure nerd in your heart you didn’t know existed.
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Matt’s response, “Commodities markets and the financialization of carbon”
Matt writing on buffer pools for VCM
Thu, 09 Nov 2023 - 54min - 336 - S3E59: Should you be a hunter? A vegan? Somehow both?—w/ Bruce McGlenn of Human Nature Hunting
Is hunting on the brink of extinction? Is that a good or a bad thing?
In this episode, we delve into the intricate connection between the art of hunting and our profound relationship with the natural world. Our is guest Bruce McGlenn, Founder and Lead Instructor of Human Nature Hunting—a program that, as Bruces describes it, is fundamentally and foremost about helping people reconnect or strengthen their connection to nature through hunting.
By delving into the immersive process of the hunt, we uncover the journey's transformative impact, from meticulous planning to profound reconnection with the environment.
Bruce sheds light on the intersections between veganism and hunting, emphasizing the shared commitment to minimizing animal suffering and aversion to conventional factory farming. The episode culminates with a reflection on the spiritual significance of acknowledging the sacrifice inherent in our sustenance, prompting listeners to contemplate their role within the delicate balance of nature.
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Wolf Reintroduction in Yosemite
S2E53: Paul Kingsnorth on the shared roots of climate crisis, transhumanism, & immortality
S2E64: How to Be Animal: a guide for confused humans—w/ Melanie Challenger, author
Here is the quote from Kahlil Gibran's The Prophet:
Then an old man, a keeper of an inn, said,
Speak to us of Eating and Drinking.
And he said:
Would that you could live on the fragrance of the earth, and like an air
plant be sustained by the light.But since you must kill to eat, and rob the newly born of its mother’s milk to
quench your thirst, let it then be an act of worship,And let your board stand an altar on which the pure and the innocent of
forest and plain are sacrificed for that which is purer and still more innocent
in man.When you kill a beast say to him in your heart,
“By the same power that slays you, I too am slain; and I too shall be consumed.
For the law that delivered you into my hand shall deliver me into a mightier
hand.Your blood and my blood is naught but the sap that feeds the tree of heaven.”
And when you crush an apple with your teeth, say to it in your heart,
“Your seeds shall live in my body,
And the buds of your tomorrow shall blossom in my heart,
And your fragrance shall be my breath,
And together we shall rejoice through all the seasons.”And in the autumn, when you gather the grapes of your vineyards for the
winepress, say in your heart,“I too am a vineyard, and my fruit shall be gathered for the winepress,
And like new wine I shall be kept in eternal vessels.”
And in winter, when you draw the wine, let there be in your heart a song
for each cup;And let there be in the song a remembrance for the autumn days, and for
the vineyard, and for the winepress.Fri, 03 Nov 2023 - 57min - 335 - S3E58: Can gifting carbon removal help spread awareness of our nascent industry?—w/ Thanks a Ton's cofounders
What if you bought carbon removal, not as an offset, but rather as a gift?
This week we sat down with the founding team at Thanks a Ton (Laura Katayama, Tessaria Mihangel, and our own Siobhan Montoya Lavender), a carbon dioxide removal gifting startup on a mission to spread awareness about the burgeoning high-quality CDR industry.
“We take climate change very seriously, but try not to take ourselves too seriously” is a mantra the team lives by.
Thanks a Ton offers a platform where you can send the gift of carbon removal via a digital greeting card. Although the team admits that they are still circling product-market fit, they have had little problem securing high-quality project developers and have gotten a lot of attention for their fun-loving and often striking artwork.
In this episode we dive into this scrappy startup and the surprisingly robust platform they’ve built to engage non-insiders with carbon removal.
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Thanks a Ton platformThu, 26 Oct 2023 - 42min - 334 - S3E57: Is direct air capture an energetic dead end?—w/ Paul Hawken, author of Regeneration: Ending the Climate Crisis in One Generation
In this week’s episode, the name of the goal is not ‘net zero’, it’s regeneration. We’re joined by Paul Hawken: author of many books including Drawdownand Regeneration, activist, and entrepreneur to talk about the tools that he believes can end the climate crisis.
Paul takes us through the concept of "carbon tunnel syndrome," an overemphasis on carbon as a mere numerical figure, often favored by the tech industry. He also sheds light on the staggering statistic that less than 1% of the global population actively works on climate solutions. He also is quite skeptical that direct air capture will ever make energetic sense.
Throughout history, the climate movement has urged individuals to focus on future existential threats. However, Paul highlights a stark reality: over five billion people wake up every day preoccupied with current existential threats.
This episode serves as a stark reflection on the array of solutions within our grasp. It underscores the urgency of prioritizing Earth's regeneration and explores the intricate relationship between carbon removal and the broader climate solution landscape. Join us in this candid conversation about addressing the climate crisis head-on, and be sure to check out Paul’s new book Regeneration: Ending the Climate Crisis in One Generation.
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Thu, 12 Oct 2023 - 47min - 333 - S3E56: Could there be a just solar geoengineering?—w/ Shuchi Talati, Founder of The Alliance for Just Deliberation on Solar Geoengineering
Solar geoengineering. It's not just a question of whether or not to do it, but of how it might be done and why.
This week we are joined by Shuchi Talati, founder of The Alliance for Just Deliberation on Solar Geoengineering, to talk about who is making decisions about solar geoengineering and whether or not populations most vulnerable to climate change have a seat at the table.
Solar geoengineering or “Solar Radiation Modification/Management (SRM)” is the large-scale and intentional intervention to increase the amount of sunlight reflected back into space. The purpose is to temporarily limit temperature increase.
Shuchi walks us through why the Alliance is not for or against SRM, why refusing to discuss or research RSM is potentially an inherently privileged standpoint, and why she believes we should center voices from regions already experiencing horrific climate impacts.
Listen in to find out who is currently researching SRM, what the potential risks and benefits are, and how the Alliance plans to make such a controversial topic more open and accessible.
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Thu, 05 Oct 2023 - 45min - 332 - S3E55: Could Biomass Materials Science Create Regenerative Supply Chains?—w/ Wendy Owens, CEO & Founder of Hexas Biomass
Imagine a biomass substance that reduces our reliance on petroleum and deforestation for physical products. This is the vision of Hexas Biomass, a company that is developing new raw materials from sustainable sources. Their flagship product, XanoFiber, has been bred to possibly be(!) a #carbonnegative fiber that can be used to create a wide range of products, from clothing to building materials.
In this week's episode, Wendy Owens, CEO and Founder of Hexas Biomass, discusses the challenges and opportunities of integrating new raw materials into the existing supply chain. She introduces XanoFiber and its potential to revolutionize the way we produce and consume goods and materials.
Owens highlights the importance of using marginal lands for biomass production, which can help to avoid competition with farming. She also discusses why we still use trees for low-value commodity products, the potential of XanoGrass to outcompete tree farms, the gradual transition to a bioeconomy, and why we need to make use of the trillion dollars worth of manufacturing infrastructure that already exists.
This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in learning more about the future of sustainable materials—enjoy!
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Thu, 28 Sep 2023 - 51min - 331 - S3E54: Building Commodity Scale Infrastructure for Carbon Removal—w/ Matt Trudeau, Nori's new CEO
Is buying carbon credits like buying real estate? What would a tradable commodity market for the carbon removal industry look like?
In today's episode, Ross sits down with Matt Trudeau, Nori’s new CEO, to get a glimpse of how a veteran market builder thinks about building carbon markets that meet the challenges of a rapidly scaling industry.
Matt talks about the balance between standardization and innovation within carbon market development, discusses the evolution of financial markets, and explores the impact of high-frequency trading on fairness and efficiency.
Listen in to get a sense of where the burgeoning carbon market is encountering hurdles and what we can learn from the historical transition to electronic trading systems.
If you've ever pondered the transformation of bespoke carbon credit transactions into a full-fledged commodities market, this episode is a must-listen.
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Thu, 21 Sep 2023 - 48min - 330 - S3E53: Are you coming to the Global Direct Air Capture Conference?!—w/ Jason Hochman of the Direct Air Capture Coalition
Kenya is exploding into the Direct Air Capture scene. New York City is hosting the first ever global DAC conference. And while Al Gore is deeply knowledgeable about climate change, he might be wrong about carbon removal.
In this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Jason Hochman, the co-founder and senior director of the DAC Coalition, takes us on a foray into Nairobi, Kenya, where he recently attended the first Africa Climate Summit. We learn why Kenya and the countries along the East African Rift will be critical for carbon removal.
Coming up on October 16th and 17th, Jason shares that Columbia University will play host to the first ever Global Direct Air Capture Conference. This event is designed to bring together all interested stakeholders to discuss the current and future states of DAC, and how the parties can come together to bridge the gap.
The conversation explores what is considered to be "responsible" DAC, why there is opposition to it, and why there is also bipartisan support for it.
Come for the direct air capture, stay for Jason's new nickname.We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did!
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Thu, 14 Sep 2023 - 41min - 329 - S3E52: Climate baking returns! Can we bake our way out of oblivion?—w/ Caroline Saunders, pastry chef and writer of Pale Blue Tart
In this episode of Reversing Climate Change, we are joined once again by Caroline Saunders, a skilled pastry chef and dedicated recipe tester, who channels her passion into crafting delectable treats using climate-friendly ingredients.
Ross Kenyon and Radhika Moolgavkar enthusiastically embraced the challenge of trying Caroline’s climate-friendly baking recipes. Discover who fared better in their quest to bake the perfect key lime pie!
Discover how Caroline’s journey towards becoming a climate-conscious baker was ignited in her personal life but then involved a radical career change out of environmental media and into studying abroad at Le Cordon Bleu in Paris and interning at a Michelin-starred restaurant. The ingenuity and precision of the pastry chefs she encountered inspired her to harness her culinary skills for a greater environmental cause.
Explore how Caroline is developing best practices, creating a gateway for at-home bakers into regenerative foods.
Currently, Caroline tests recipes for a cookbook author who shares her passion for climate-friendly baking. She experiments with Kernza flour, spelt flour, and non-dairy milks, sharing her innovations on her blog and social media.
Caroline encourages culinary exploration with novel elements and the generous sharing of discoveries. She underscores the importance of supporting businesses that embrace climate-friendly ingredient choices. Discover the perspectives of other bakers on seed-saving and recipes that prioritize the climate's welfare. Envision the future of global sustenance in the decades and centuries ahead.
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Thu, 24 Aug 2023 - 51min - 328 - S3E51: The Heat Will Kill You First—w/ Jeff Goodell, author and contributing editor of Rolling Stone
Extreme heat. What does it feel like? Why is it getting worse and who is it impacting?
In this Reversing Climate Change podcast episode, we spoke with Jeff Goodell, contributing editor at Rolling Stone and author of The Water Will Come and his latest, The Heat Will Kill You First: Life and Death on a Scorched Planet.
Tune in to hear about Jeff Goodell's personal experience with extreme heat. Learn about what cities are doing to combat the urban heat island effect, and what the true costs of adaptation will likely be.
Could certain cities become uninhabitable due to escalating heat levels? Ross and Jeff explore the variations in heat adaptation across different regions and income brackets, along with the possibility of introducing new labor laws in response to heat-related challenges.
The discussion also delves into the preparedness of the U.S. military for climate change impacts, the future outlook for ranking or naming extreme heat events, and the implications for the fossil fuel industry and the transition to clean energy.
One thing becomes clear, as temperatures continue to rise: the Phoenix, Las Vegas, or Austin that people know and love, is going to look very different in the future.
The show also discusses Jeff's long-running reportage on both carbon removal and geoengineering, and evaluates the status of both ideas, and what's likely to play out in the near-future.
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Thu, 17 Aug 2023 - 57min - 327 - S3E50: The Culture of Carbon Removal—w/ Jason Grillo, Director of Partnerships and Operations at AirMiners
Does culture eat strategy for breakfast? What does a successful carbon removal community look like? Who ordered the veal cutlet?
Join us in this episode of Reversing Climate Change featuring Jason Grillo, Director of Partnerships and Operations at AirMiners. Discover how culture takes center stage at AirMiners, one of the major communities empowering carbon removal startups.
Explore the Kiloton Fund, the Bootup program, and Launchpad, which has already graduated 95 teams in two years. Deadline for the next cohort closes on August 11th, 2023!
How does AirMiners embrace hope amidst an often challenging and doomerist climate landscape? Tune in to explore the role of levity and humor in building a strong carbon removal community. Discover how tackling an ambitious goal, such as removing 1 billion tons by 2030, can be approached with humility and by inviting people to the table.
Like AirMiners, this episode doesn’t have all the answers, but it does have some ideas of what would go in a carbon removal museum.
If you’re interested in being part of the carbon removal industry, this episode is for you!
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Thu, 10 Aug 2023 - 56min - 326 - S3E49: How Could an Automated Electric Tractor Change Farming?—w/ Carlo Mondavi of Monarch
When you’re born into a winemaking dynasty, there’s a lot of momentum to carry on the family business. But also a lot of pressure to make your own mark. Carlo Mondavi is the co-founder and Chief Farming Officer at Monarch, creators of the Monarch Tractor, an electric smart tractor that may offer a better and safer product than conventional diesel tractors. Today he joins Siobhan Montoya Lavender and Ross Kenyon to discuss.
The conversation begins with Carlo's heartfelt motivation behind creating the Monarch Tractor. Witnessing the devastating loss of biodiversity caused by conventional herbicides, Carlo was inspired to find a regenerative agriculture solution that would reduce herbicide usage while ensuring a safer, more eco-friendly farming experience. The Monarch Tractor provides a more mechanical solution than one that deeply changes the microbiota.
But sometimes it’s hard to change minds, and offering a better solution rather than finger-wagging can often be a better way to proceed. With or without subsidies, can the Monarch tractor succeed in changing one of the most common farm tools used?
Tune in to this episode to explore the efforts of Monarch Tractor to change farming and learn about their story to become the Tesla of farming.
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Thu, 03 Aug 2023 - 46min - 325 - S3E48: Buy early & risky CDR credits; sell later for profit? The AirMiners Kiloton Fund—w/ Tito Jankowski
How does it work to buy carbon removal credits from early stage startups and resell them later for profit? What does it mean to support carbon removal startups without equity financing? Are alternatives available beyond conventional venture funding? Enter: the AirMiners Kiloton Fund.
Tune in this week as the great Tito Jankowski, CEO and cofounder of AirMiners, returns to the show to talk about all of those questions, the general state of carbon removal, and how two goofballs like us ended up at TED Countdown in Detroit.
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Thu, 27 Jul 2023 - 41min - 324 - S3E47: The state of blue carbon in carbon markets—w/ Kevin Whilden of SeaTrees
Reversing Climate Change presents an enlightening conversation with Kevin Whilden, the co-founder and co-director of Sustainable Surf, where they delve into the captivating world of ocean restoration, the power of storytelling, and the remarkable phenomenon of blue carbon. Join Ross and Siobhan as they navigate the complexities of carbon offsetting, funding pathways for coastal and land-based restoration, and the profound impact of storytelling on driving environmental action.
The spotlight of the discussion falls on blue carbon, which refers to the carbon stored within coastal and marine ecosystems. These ecosystems, encompassing vital habitats such as seaweed, mangroves, and seagrasses, exhibit extraordinary carbon sequestration capabilities, often surpassing their land-based counterparts. The significance of these blue carbon ecosystems lies not only in their capacity to store carbon but also in their vital role in supporting biodiversity and protecting coastal communities from climate-related hazards.
Kevin Whilden emphasizes the deep-rooted connection humans have with the ocean and highlights how this connection can serve as a powerful catalyst for inspiring environmental action. By fostering a sense of affection and appreciation for the ocean, individuals are more likely to engage in efforts aimed at its restoration and protection.
In addition to exploring blue carbon, the conversation delves into the funding mechanisms and pathways available for coastal restoration projects, shedding light on the role and history of carbon markets. Furthermore, the episode provides insights into the non-profit nature of SeaTrees and their collaborative efforts with the Scripps Institution of Oceanography to refine the measurement of Blue Carbon Projects.
Discover how you can actively participate in SeaTrees' initiatives and contribute to the restoration of our ocean ecosystems. By listening to this episode, you will gain a deeper understanding of the importance of blue carbon, the role of storytelling in driving action, and the opportunities available to support SeaTrees' work.
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 - 50min - 323 - S3E46: Methane removal?! AKA Methane is having a moment—w/ Erika Reinhardt of Spark Climate Solutions
In this episode of the Reversing Climate Change podcast, cohosts Ross Kenyon and Siobhan Montoya Lavender are joined by Erika Reinhardt, Co-founder and Executive Director of Spark Climate Solutions. Together, they delve into the pressing issue of methane and its increasing significance in the climate zeitgeist, and when can we expect methane removal to appear?
The conversation kicks off with a discussion on why methane deserves our attention. Erika explains that methane is a potent greenhouse gas, with initial emissions being 120 times more potent than carbon dioxide when it is first released into the atmosphere. Despite its relatively short atmospheric lifespan of approximately twelve years, methane is responsible for a whopping 0.5℃ warming impact on our climate.
Is methane “destroyed”? Is it “converted”? How should we think about methane in the context of the dreaded carbon dioxide questions: should we focus on reductions or removal? (hint, most answers start with ‘yes, and’).
The episode also highlights the concerning rise of both natural and anthropogenic sources of methane. Erika underlines the importance of taking comprehensive action to curb methane emissions from various sectors—it’s not just oil and gas, it’s not just cow belching, it’s a big and complex picture that needs lots of different solutions and mitigation measures.
Drawing parallels between methane removal and carbon removal, the conversation explores the similarities and notable differences between the two. Listeners gain insights into the unique challenges and opportunities associated with methane removal strategies.
Erika shares the motivations behind founding Spark Climate Solutions and provides an overview of the organization's current objectives.
Throughout the episode, the hosts and guest emphasize the urgency of addressing methane emissions and highlight the potential impact of targeted strategies and where the gaps lie. If you're curious about greenhouse gasses beyond carbon dioxide, this is the episode for you!
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Thu, 22 Jun 2023 - 49min - 322 - S3E45: Mixing Fast and Slow Carbon: The Nori Blended Tonne—w/ Radhika Moolgavkar, Nori's Head of Supply & Methodology
The carbon removal industry and science have evolved greatly since Nori was founded in 2017. In this special Reversing Climate Change episode, Nori's Head of Supply and Methodology Radhika Moolgavkar, joins host Ross Kenyon to talk through what’s changed, what’s still the same, and how Nori is evolving with a new net-zero-friendly ‘blended tonne’ that they just published a new whitepaper on this week.
What is this ‘blended tonne’ Nori is developing?
What did the carbon removal industry look like back in 2017?
Why did Nori choose to start with soil carbon and how has soil carbon progressed since then?
What is a carbon cycle and why should carbon removal credit buyers care?
What is the difference between the geological (‘slow) carbon cycle and and biological (‘fast’) carbon cycle?
If you emit a tonne by burning fossil fuels and remove a tonne through soil carbon, is it net zero?
If you emit a tonne by burning fossil fuels and pre-purchase a future DAC carbon removal, is it net zero?
What role does soil carbon play in reversing climate change?
Tune in to dive into the questions above, and more!
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A link to the whitepaper GitHub if you'd like to add public commentsThu, 15 Jun 2023 - 33min - 321 - S3E44: Is it time for Second-Generation Direct Air Capture? —w/ Sampo Tukiainen of C-Fix
What does a utopian second-generation Direct Air Capture (DAC) system look like, and how does it differ from what we have now?
In this engaging episode of Reversing Climate Change, Ross and Siobhan have a very frank and honest discussion with Sampo Tukiainen, a farmer, apiarist, meditator, rifleman and the CEO of C-Fix, a second-generation #directaircapture company that wants to do it all. After a brief intro to #DAC, they discuss the energy consumption of current facilities, and how second-generation technology offers potential energy savings compared to the energy-intensive first-generation methods.
Would DAC with co-benefits be unstoppable? Probably. Sampo imagines a DAC facility that also addresses water scarcity, provides agricultural resources, and stores carbon dioxide onsite. Learn how Sampo balances his CDR career with his passion for farming, riflery, meditation and family. Hear his frank thoughts on the challenges of building a CDR company when there is conflict.
By the end of the episode, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the possibilities offered by second-generation DAC and the importance of incorporating co-benefits into the system.
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Thu, 08 Jun 2023 - 55min - 320 - S3E43: How to get your garden ready for climate change—w/ Sally Morgan, coauthor of The Climate Change Garden
Making decisions for your garden and yard is often a yearly exercise. But for long-lived perennials, you need to start thinking about how climate change is going to impact your region. But don't start loading up on olive trees just yet...
Today on the Reversing Climate Changepodcast, Sally Morgan, coauthor of The Climate Change Garden: Down to Earth Advice for Growing a Resilient Garden, teaches host Ross Kenyon about how to cope with a simultaneously drier and wetter world. What happens when temperate zones become Mediterranean? And what happens to zones already Mediterranean?!
Tune in this week to get your mind working on gardening in a climate-changed future.
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Thu, 01 Jun 2023 - 46min - 319 - S3E42: Carbon removal funding and dealflow in the XPRIZE/Circular Carbon Network report—w/ Nikki Batchelor & Ongeleigh Underwood
In this episode, Ross and Siobhan are joined by Ongeleigh Underwood and Nikki Batchelor to delve into the newly released report from the Circular Carbon Network, an initiative of XPRIZE. The report provides valuable insights into the state of the Circular Carbon Market, addressing crucial questions such as who is building Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR) projects and who is funding them.
The conversation explores the role of XPRIZE in fostering market growth and collaboration, and examines how companies have evolved since the last carbon-focused XPRIZE, which is when the report started gathering data. Ongeleigh and Nikki shed light on the partnerships formed by companies to complete the carbon removal process and discuss whether Direct Air Capture (DAC) is having a moment.
Listeners gain valuable insights into the current state of the market, funding trends, technological advancements, and the role played by XPRIZE in driving innovation. If you haven’t yet, read the full report here!
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Thu, 25 May 2023 - 43min - 318 - S3E41: Whole animal butchery, nose-to-tail eating, & climate—w/ Kevin Smith, butcher & owner of Beast and Cleaver
Beast and Cleaver, a butcher shop and charcuterie in Seattle, is on a mission to elevate the craft of butchery to true artistry. They want you to eat meat of higher quality, and yes, less of it.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, the founder of Beast and Cleaver, Kevin Smith, joins Ross to discuss his butcher shop’s unique approach to localized meat production in a carbon heavy industry.
Have you heard the expression “it’s the how, not the cow”? That very much reflects Beast and Cleaver’s ethos. With more and more people eating meat globally as they gain access to financial means, the details of meat production become incredibly important. Part of the good news is that American consumers are increasingly interested in Old World food traditions of pâté and offal rather than merely prestige cuts, and even things like aspic that went deeply out of fashion decades ago are seemingly making a foodie comeback.
Kevin and Ross discuss the perception that major factory meat producers like Tyson and Smithfield Foods are incredibly efficient at using all parts of the animal. But are they in comparison to local, small-scale operations like Beast and Cleaver? They also discuss the challenges of running an artisanal meat business and how they are working to educate consumers about the benefits of sustainable meat production.
So if you're in the Seattle area and are a meat-eater (and enjoy classical charcuterie), be sure to check out Beast and Cleaver and get yourself a slice of pâté en croûte! Listen to the full episode to learn more about their innovative approach to localized meat production and learn how to possibly indulge with respect and care on your plate.
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Thu, 18 May 2023 - 41min - 317 - S3E40: PlantVillage is working to scale biochar in Africa–w/ Dr. David Hughes
PlantVillage won the Carbon XPRIZE milestone award in 2022, and was awarded one million dollars. It aims to lift 200 million African farming families out of poverty. They are working to capture and sell a billion tonnes of carbon per year using biochar sequestration by integrating trees with crops on farms and using lumber for biochar.
So what exactly is happening on the ground with biochar? And can we solve today's problems with the mindset that helped create them?
In today's Reversing Climate Changepodcast, Dr. David Hughes, the Huck Chair in Global Food Security at Penn State University and Director of USAID Innovation Lab on Current and Emerging Threats to Crops, Founder of PlantVillage & Carbon4Good, describes how this program avoids middlemen and gets farmers paid directly for making biochar, how biochar improves soil health and provides additional income, and how the technique represents both climate adaptation, and mitigation.
David also goes on to fit biochar and soil health into the broader context of the global climate fight, international economics, and climate justice.
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Tue, 02 May 2023 - 42min - 316 - (A Spotify video podcast!) What goes into making a carbon removal meme?—w/ Nori's Memelab
What goes into the making of a carbon removal meme? How many pitches does it take before magic comes out? Why do some many captions end up as emojis?! Nori's Memelab: Ross Kenyon, Siobhan Montoya Lavender, and Asa Kamer film their writer's room meeting on a lark to show how we go from a notion to something we think worthy of sharing with our community. Listen in to learn more, and also, respond to the survey in this episode to let us know if you like video podcasts, meme shows, etc. It is an experiment! Thanks for hanging with us.
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Tue, 25 Apr 2023 - 36min - 315 - S3E39: Wyoming's Project Bison: Carbon Removal in Fossil Fuel Country—w/ Nicholas Kusnetz, Inside Climate News
CarbonCapture is looking to build a large-scale direct air capture facility in Rock Springs, Wyoming, a town with deep roots in the coal industry.
And last fall, the company invited the community to a town hall event to learn more about the initiative, known as Project Bison, and its aim to remove five million tonnes of CO2 annually by 2030.
How did the people react to CarbonCapture’s plans? And what can the carbon removal industry learn from events like this?
Nicholas Kusnetz is an award-winning reporter for Inside Climate News. His work has appeared in more than a dozen publications, including The Washington Post, Business Week, and The New York Times.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Nicholas joins guest hosts Asa Kamer and Siobhan Montoya Lavendar to discuss his December 2022 piece on CarbonCapture Inc’s Project Bison.
Nicholas discusses what CarbonCapture’s town hall event was like, describing the wide range of people who attended, and what questions they had for the presenter.
Listen in for Nicholas’ insight into other DAC projects taking place in fossil fuel country around the US and learn about the local tradeoffs facing communities at carbon capture sites.
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Tue, 18 Apr 2023 - 42min - 314 - Wide Sargassum Sea (and carbon removal robots!)—w/ Seaweed Generation's Mike Allen & Patricia Estridge
A massive amount of seaweed known as the Great Atlantic Sargassum Belt is growing as a response to climate change. To date, it has expanded to a width twice that of the United States.
When sargassum reaches the coast, it causes human health problems, destroys ecosystems, and wipes out tourism, usually in communities that don’t have the resources to combat the issue.
So, what can we do to prevent these destructive seaweed blobs from reaching coastal regions and remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere in the process?
Patricia Estridge and Mike Allen serve as CEO and Chief Science Officer, respectively, at Seaweed Generation, a startup using robotics and seaweed to fight climate change.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Patricia and Mike join Ross, Siobhan, and Asa to explain how their technology, a Pac-Man meets Roomba meets WALL-E style robot, collects seaweed and sinks it in the deep sea.
Patricia and Mike discuss Seaweed Generation’s pilot project with Antigua, describing the advantage their process may have over other methods of carbon removal and how they’ve been received by the community there.
Listen in for insight around the growing acceptance of open-systems pathways for carbon removal and learn how you can get involved in helping Seaweed Generation tackle the sargassum problem around the world.
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Tue, 11 Apr 2023 - 42min - 313 - S3E38: Where are the campy cli-fi series? Why do we only have literary climate fiction?!—w/ Daniel Backer, author
A lot of sci-fi writing focused on climate is high literary fiction, which means it’s filled with allusion and often difficult to understand.
So, why don’t authors take on climate fiction as a serialized genre like detective novels, zombie books or erotica?
Is there a way to make climate fiction more playful without making light of climate change as a global issue?
Daniel Backer is the novelist and literature educator behind Off the Wall Novels and the author of Abraham and Lionel Lancet and the Right Vibe.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Daniel joins Ross to explore postmodern and metamodern literature, explaining the postmodern idea that myths guide our decision-making but also make us human.
Daniel helps us make sense of Thomas Pynchon’s The Crying of Lot 49, discussing how it plays on the detective genre and why we find comfort in the familiarity of literary conventions.
Listen in for Daniel’s take on how literature, at its best, comes from a place of character and learn how a writer might personalize the problem of climate change.
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The Ministry for the Futureby Kim Stanley Robinson
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On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Senseby Friedrich Nietzsche
The Crying of Lot 49by Thomas Pynchon
Hamlet 2: The Creative Process
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 - 50min - 312 - S3E37: Sandor Katz on Fermented Foods & Climate Change—w/ Sandor Ellix Katz, author of The Art of Fermentation
For people living in affluent parts of the world in the 21st century, we are used to preserving food by way of refrigeration.
But this technique is quite new when you consider that people have been preserving food through fermentation for at least 10,000 years.
Our ancestors experimented with fermenting to make food more delicious, more easily digestible, and more stable for storage. And there are many reasons why you might want to learn the process yourself.
Sandor Ellix Katz is a well-known food writer and self-taught fermentation experimentalist. He is the author of several books, including The Art of Fermentation, Wild Fermentation, and The Revolution will Not Be Microwaved.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Sandor joins Ross to explore the practical benefits of fermentation and explain how our disconnection from food systems contributes to our destruction of the environment.
Sandor explains why it’s valuable to maintain the cultural wisdom around preserving food through fermentation and how our health might improve if we relied less on refrigeration and more on fermenting.
Listen in for Sandor’s insight on the tradeoffs between pure culture starters versus wild fermentation and learn how to take the first steps in learning fermentation—and why it’s easier than you think!
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Fermentation As Metaphorby Sandor Ellix Katz
Wild Fermentation: The Flavor, Nutrition and Craft of Live-Culture Foodsby Sandor Ellix Katz
Fermentation Journeys: Recipes, Techniques and Traditions from Around the Worldby Sandor Ellix Katz
Tue, 21 Mar 2023 - 51min - 311 - Financial Innovation within Carbon Removal (& EHR!)—w/ Peter Olivier, Head of New Markets at UNDO
In the last five years, an enormous amount of effort has been put into technical and scientific innovation around carbon removal.
But what about financial innovation?
How can we create more opportunities to finance carbon removal at scale? And what does innovation look like in carbon removal markets?
Peter Olivier is Head of New Markets at UNDO, a company that uses enhanced rock weathering to achieve carbon removal at scale.
On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Peter joins Ross and Siobhan to describe the UNDO process, discussing the source of the rock UNDO uses, and why they partner with farmers to spread crushed rock on cropland.
Peter shares his take on the forward contract basis of the CDR market, exploring ‘the uncomfortably large amounts of money’ we need to scale and how we might make CDR forwards contracts more fungible.
Listen in for Peter’s insight on innovating CDR markets through donor-advised funds and find out how we might be able to influence the future by creating opportunities to finance carbon removal at scale!
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Tue, 07 Mar 2023 - 48min - 310 - Carbon Capture & Carbon Removal: Friends or Foes?—w/ Gagan Porrwal of GE Gas Power's Carbon Solutions
Carbon capture and storage, or CCS, involves sequestering carbon dioxide emissions from a point source, whereas carbon removal takes existing emissions out of ambient air.
And there are a lot of people in the climate community who are for carbon removal and against CCS, arguing that we should shut down these point sources and focus on renewable energy.
But is choosing sides the right thing to do?
Gagan Porrwal is Global Head of Partnerships for GE Gas Power's Carbon Solutions, where he is building an ecosystem of partners that enable, accelerate, and drive the adoption of CCS applications in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and the Asian Pacific.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change’s Happy Hour show, Gagan joins Ross and Siobhan to explain why we need CCS to meet our 2030 climate targets and how he thinks about capturing carbon in the flue versus ambient air.
Gagan discusses how much power is currently generated by coal or natural gas and describes the reality of how long it will take to transition to wind and solar.
Listen in to understand the four key problems facing CCS—social acceptance, economics, infrastructure, and permitting—and find out why we can’t transition to renewables tomorrow, but we can take the next rational step toward clean energy in any given geography.
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Tue, 07 Feb 2023 - 45min - 309 - S3E36: Why We Need More Sh*tty First Drafts in Carbon Removal—w/ Adina Mangubat & Tito Jankowski of AirMiners
You can judge the progress of an industry by its number of sh*tty first drafts.
And if we have any hope of getting to gigatonne-scale carbon removal by 2030, we need a greater diversity of ideas in the CDR space. We need entrepreneurs who dare to think differently. We need more sh*tty first drafts.
So, what can we do to encourage this kind of radical risk-taking in carbon removal? Where can entrepreneurs, investors, and carbon removal buyers go to generate their sh*tty first drafts and then iterate on each other’s ideas together?
Adina Mangubat and Tito Jankowski are Accelerator Director and CEO, respectively, at AirMiners, a community that empowers people taking risks to accelerate the reversal of climate change through carbon removal.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Tito and Adina join Ross to discuss the AirMiners Launchpad business accelerator, explaining how it serves early-stage carbon removal startups and why it supports companies across the spectrum of permanence.
Tito describes his role in unlocking capital for early-stage CDR startups, exploring how AirMiners helps them sell future carbon credits as a complement to traditional equity investment.
Listen in for Adina’s insight around what buyers are looking for in carbon removal startups and learn how you can get involved in the AirMiners community and contribute to the queue of sh*tty first drafts we need to save the planet.
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AirMiners Launchpad Startup Accelerator
AirMiners ‘How to Sell a Carbon Credit’ Event
Anne Lamott’s Idea of Sh*tty First Drafts
Tue, 31 Jan 2023 - 42min - 308 - How to Get Carbon Removal Startups the Support They Need!—w/ Neesha Mirchandani of Impact Stars
Startups in the CDR space need to succeed quickly if we want to reverse climate change before time runs out.
But the current system requires that climatetech founders often devote time to pitching VCs and filling out multiple grant applications. Time that would be better spent developing their solutions.
So, what can we do to connect emerging carbon removal companies with the funding they need to move forward?
Neesha Mirchandani is Founder and CEO of Impact Stars, a consultancy that helps planet-positive entrepreneurs raise money and attract clients.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change Happy Hour, Neesha joins Ross, Siobhan and Asa to discuss the magnetic pitch method she uses to support CDR startups in attracting venture capital.
Neesha explains what VCs look for in a climate startup and shares her frustration with philanthropy’s failure to fill in the funding gaps.
Listen in to understand how we might streamline the grant application process for CDR entrepreneurs and get Neesha’s advice on how to apply business sense to your climate ventures!
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Na’im Merchant at The Carbon Curve
Climate Change vs. Artisanal Cheesemaking on Reversing Climate Change S3EP35
‘Who Should Pay for Carbon Removal?’ by Robert Hoglund
California Wilderness Coalition
Tue, 24 Jan 2023 - 48min - 307 - S3E35: Climate Change vs. Artisanal Cheesemaking—w/ Andy Hatch of Uplands Cheese
While large, industrial cheesemakers are known for consistency and scale, small operations like Uplands Cheese make boutique cheeses unique to the land where they’re produced.
And these small, pasture-based dairy farms have their own unique concerns when it comes to climate change.
So, how is extreme weather already affecting operations like Uplands Cheese? How does climate factor into future planning for a 300-acre dairy farm?
Cheesemaker Andy Hatch is Co-Owner at Uplands, a dairy farm and cheesemaking operation in Southern Wisconsin. Andy’s team produces two award-winning artisan cheeses, Pleasant Ridge Reserve and Rush Creek Reserve.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Andy joins Ross to explain why his team uses a seasonal model for cheesemaking, describing how Pleasant Ridge Reserve is made in the tradition of Alpine cheeses while Rush Creek is modeled after Vacherin Mont d’Or.
Andy discusses how warmer, wetter weather is impacting his cows and what Uplands Cheese is doing to reduce its carbon footprint.
Listen in for insight on trends in dairy farming influenced by climate change and learn how to support small dairy farmers like Andy who are good stewards of natural resources.
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Liz Thorpe on Reversing Climate Change S3EP31
The Book of Cheeseby Liz Thorpe
Dan Saladino on Reversing Climate Change S3EP16
Eating to Extinctionby Dan Saladino
Jasper Hill Farm Bayley Hazen Blue
Tue, 17 Jan 2023 - 56min - 306 - S3E34: The Environmental Impact of WWII in the Pacific Theatre—with Ian W. Toll, author of The Pacific War Trilogy
Much has been written about the European Theater in World War II.
But the war in the Pacific Theater was the largest naval war ever fought. It covered the entire breadth of the Pacific Ocean, and much of the fighting took place in remote, wild environments.
How did the conflict impact those environments heretofore untouched by the outside world? And what about the Indigenous peoples who lived there?
Ian W. Toll is the author of Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the US Navy and the Pacific War Trilogy—Pacific Crucible, The Conquering Tide, and Twilight of the Gods.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Ian joins Ross to explain how airbases were built on hundreds of Pacific islands during WWII and describe how the scale of development radically and irrevocably changed the ecosystems there.
Ian discusses how hundreds of shipwrecks from WWII have the potential to turn into environmental disasters at any time and weighs in on what we can do to avoid a modern-day war in the Pacific—and why it’s crucial.
Listen in for Ian’s insight on the logistical prowess of the US to ramp up shipbuilding during WWII and find out why Admiral Halsey ranked the bulldozer among the five most important weapons of the Pacific War.
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Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the US Navyby Ian W. Toll
Ian W. Toll’s Pacific War Trilogy
With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawaby E.B. Sledge
Tales of the South Pacificby James A. Michener
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 - 51min - 305 - S3E33: Time to Think... Small? Not Everything Must Scale—w/ Todd Myers of the Washington Policy Center
With a problem as monumental as the climate crisis, we have a tendency toward proportionality bias. We often believe that the issue has a single cause and can only be solved with a few large-scale solutions.
But in the case of climate change, a diversity of solutions may be faster and more effective than putting all our eggs in a few big baskets.
And that’s why Todd Myers focuses on what individuals can do to solve climate change—while the politicians slug it out over broad policy measures.
Todd serves as Environmental Director at the Washington Policy Center. He is also the author of the new book, Time to Think Small: How Nimble Environmental Technologies Can Solve the Planet’s Biggest Problems.
On this episode of the Reversing Climate Change podcast, Todd joins Ross to explore how individual efforts can fill in the gaps left behind by government policies and explain how climate change differs from pollution in the 1970’s.
Todd discusses the data collected by citizen science apps like iNaturalist or eBird and describes how we can use both moral suasion and financial incentives to promote climate solutions.
Listen in for Todd’s insight on striking the right balance between private sector and government climate initiatives and learn how a business in the carbon removal space might identify the right scale for its unique solution.
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Todd Myers on Reversing Climate Change EP052
Puget Sound Salmon Recovery Council
Dr. Bryan Caplan on Reversing Climate Change S2EP2
‘The Problem of Social Cost’ by RH Coase
GridWatch: Using Cell Sensors to Detect Power Outages
Tue, 13 Dec 2022 - 50min - 304 - S3E32: Tax-Deductible Carbon Removal?!—w/ Alex Roetter of Terraset
Of all philanthropy globally, only a couple percentage points go to climate in general. And of that couple percentage points, only something like 2% of climate giving is dedicated to carbon removal.
The problem is, we need to fund several gigatonnes of carbon removal per year by 2050 to combat climate change. And that’s going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars.
So, how do we encourage governments, corporations and philanthropists to support carbon removal? How might the average person make a tax-deductible donation to fund carbon removal?
Alex Roetter is Founder of Terraset, a new nonprofit climate fund that uses private philanthropy to invest in carbon removal projects.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Alex joins Ross to explain how the underfunding of carbon removal inspires his philanthropic work, and why reducing emissions alone is not enough to curb climate change.
Alex discusses the well-known donors and carbon removal providers Terraset is working with and describes the criteria his team uses to evaluate the projects they choose to fund.
Listen in to understand how giving to a 501(c)(3) makes your dollars go further and learn how to make your own tax-deductible carbon removal purchase through Terraset.
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Email hello@terrasetclimate.org
Dr. Marcius Extavour on Reversing Climate Change S3EP28 Bonus
Charm Industrial on Reversing Climate Change S3EP27
Heirloom on Carbon Removal Newsroom S3EP23
Yvon Chouinard Gives Away Patagonia
Tue, 29 Nov 2022 - 31min - 303 - S3E31: Loving Cheese in the Age of Climate Change—w/ Liz Thorpe, author of The Book of Cheese
Cheese can be both rarified and common. It is also an industry that impacts and is impacted by climate change.
Today’s guest is author and cheese expert, Liz Thorpe. Liz is known for working her way up at New York City’s Murray’s Cheese shop, and taking it from a specialty shop to kiosks in Kroger stores across America, making cheese accessible and available to the American general public.
Today, Liz serves as Founder of The People’s Cheese, a platform designed to teach a broader market why cheese matters and how to make it part of everyday life. She is also the author of The Book of Cheeseand The Cheese Chronicles.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Liz joins Ross to explain how she pushes back against an elitist interpretation of cheese, and explores how the American desire for choice and innovation translates to the cheese market in the US.
Liz discusses how our industrialized food system contributes to climate change and describes how government subsidies and taxes often exacerbate the problem. Some cheeses are becoming more available, and others less. How many cheeses are going extinct due to climate change among other factors?!
Listen in for Liz’s insight on the mission-driven nature of cheesemaking and learn how you can take advantage of the explosion of great cheese produced in the US in the last fifteen years.
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The Book of Cheese: The Essential Guide to Discovering Cheeses You’ll Love by Liz Thorpe
Dan Saladino on Reversing Climate Change S3EP16
Paul Wagner on Reversing Climate Change S3EP10
Tue, 22 Nov 2022 - 52min - 302 - Supporting Early-Stage Climatetech Startups—w/ Jennifer Wagner of Breakthrough Energy
To tackle the climate change problem, we need to move traditional industries closer to net-zero and create new industries from scratch.
But how do you build a new carbon removal industry, for example? What is the best way to nurture startups in the climatetech space?
Jennifer Wagner is a Breakthrough Energy Business Fellow where she helps early-stage climatetech startups advance the groundbreaking technologies we need to reach net-zero by 2050.
Prior to joining Breakthrough, Jennifer served as VP of Sustainability, EVP of Corporate Development, and President of CarbonCure Technologies in her 12 years with the company.
On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Jennifer joins Siobhan and Asa to walk us through the journey of a Breakthrough Energy Fellows startup and describe how the program supports its teams in scaling up.
Jennifer discusses the three teams with female founders she works with directly and explains how to work through a high volume of applicants and find the right people for your climate tech startup.
Listen in for Jennifer’s insight on securing funding for a carbon removal startup and find out how you can be part of the prestigious Breakthrough Energy Fellows program.
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Breakthrough Energy Fellows Program
Breakthrough Energy on LinkedIn
Breakthrough Energy on Twitter
Jack Andreasen of Breakthrough Energy on Reversing Climate Change
Amazon’s $53M Fund for Female Climate Tech Founders
How to Pursue a Career in Carbon Removal on Reversing Climate Change
Thu, 17 Nov 2022 - 39min - 301 - S3E30: The Cleantech Bubble Burst. What About Climatetech?—w/ Joel Makower, Cofounder and Chairman of GreenBiz
The first cleantech bubble burst in the oughts, but the industry didn’t go away. And now, we’ve entered a second big wave of "climatetech" investment.
So, is this wave more promising than the first? Are we moving into a golden age for climatetech? Or is it too dissimilar to make comparisons?
Joel Makower is Cofounder and Chairman of GreenBiz, a leading media and events company at the intersection of business, sustainability, and innovation. He also serves as cohost of theGreenBiz 350 Podcast.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Joel joins Ross to discuss how climatetech may have followed the Gartner Hype Cycle and describe what factors caused the first cleantech bubble to burst.
Joel explains why corporations are much more involved in Cleantech 2.0 and explores the ongoing politicization of climate change, despite the efforts of some (like the military) to prepare for a climate crisis.
Listen in for Joel’s insight on the near future of climatetech and learn about the extraordinary opportunity he believes we have to reinvent our world in a way that will benefit everyone.
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The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future by Senator James Inhofe
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
Tue, 15 Nov 2022 - 35min - 300 - Permitting Reform, Property Rights, NIMBYism, & Carbon Removal—w/ Chris Barnard of the American Conservation Coalition
Progressives generally support regulations that protect the environment.
But the permitting process has become so complex that it can take five years and 500 pages of documentation to get a project off the ground.
And that red tape is holding up the clean energy projects we need to reverse climate change.
Chris Barnard is Policy Director at the American Conservation Coalition and a regular guest on our sister podcast, Carbon Removal Newsroom.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Chris joins Ross, Siobhan, and Asa to explain how regulations can prevent us from building climate infrastructure and explore the potential for bipartisan collaboration on permitting reform.
Chris discusses how permitting interacts with issues of eminent domain and describes what community engagement looks like in the permitting process.
Listen in for Chris’s insight on the regulatory barriers to realizing carbon removal at scale and learn how we might streamline the permitting process without weakening environmental standards.
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American Conservation Coalition
Senator Manchin’s Permitting Reform Bill
National Environmental Policy Act
The California Environmental Quality Act'
‘The Top Five Legal Barriers to Carbon Capture and Sequestration in Texas’ in Forbes
Lil Nas X’s ‘I Will Avenge U Mr. Van Gogh’ Meme
Thu, 10 Nov 2022 - 49min - 299 - S3E29: Funding for Crypto-Enabled Climate Solutions—w/ Ben West, Head of Causes at Gitcoin
As the number of blockchain-enabled climate solutions multiplies, founders need funding to get their projects off the ground.
Ben West is Head of Causes at Gitcoin, a company that helps early-stage crypto projects get funding. In his role, Ben supports Gitcoin’s climate solutions, DE&I, decentralized science, and advocacy rounds.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Ben joins Ross and cohosts Alexsandra Guerra, Head of Demand, and Daren McKelvey, Head of Crypto Partnerships at Nori, to discuss the process grantees go through to win funding from Gitcoin.
Ben explains how his background in climate activism informs his work at Gitcoin and shares what he learned from researching blockchain-enabled climate solutions for the Ethereum Foundation.
Listen in for Ben’s insight on the growth of the overlap between climate and crypto and learn how your project can apply for Gitcoin’s next climate round.
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Albert Bates on Reversing Climate Change EP079
Burn: Igniting a New Carbon Drawdown Economy to End the Climate Crisisby Albert Bates
Tue, 08 Nov 2022 - 52min - 298 - Alternatives to Venture Capital for Carbon Removal—w/ Dr. Marcius Extavour of XPRIZE
To facilitate carbon removal at gigaton scale, we need investors to put their money in climate solutions.
But VCs are often used to investing in in bits, not atoms. Climatetech hardware is more expensive and more challenging to replicate than software in many cases. And it’s more challenging to achieve orders of magnitude growth in a physical environment than a digital one.
So, what is the best way to finance climate solutions?
Dr. Marcius Extavour, PhD, is Chief Scientist and EVP of Energy and Climate at XPRIZE, a nonprofit that facilitates large-scale global competitions to crowdsource solutions to the world’s greatest challenges.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. Extavour joins Ross, Siobhan, and Asa to explore the current landscape of climatetech investment and explains why he wants to see more women and underrepresented minorities in the capital system.
Dr. Extavour discusses the carbon removal projects that are farthest along in terms of capitalization and describes the opportunities for traditional finance to fund climate solutions.
Listen in for Dr. Extavour’s insight on applying the spirit of collective action from crypto to the climate space and learn how you might participate in funding climate solutions.
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Dr. Extavour on Reversing Climate Change S3EP71
Thu, 03 Nov 2022 - 50min - 297 - S3E28: Mutualism: Cooperation, not Competition in Nature—w/ Kristin Ohlson, author of Sweet in Tooth and Claw
Darwin and others theorized that evolution was about the survival of the fittest. But when Peter Kropotkin followed up on Darwin’s research, he discovered the competition was only part of the story of evolution in nature.
And Kropotkin argued that cooperation and collaboration among organisms also helps them evolve.
So, why is Darwin’s narrative the dominant one? And how can an understanding of mutualism help us protect the ecosystems we depend on and find solutions to climate change?
Kristin Ohlson is an award-winning freelance journalist and author of The Soil Will Save Us: How Scientists, Farmers, and Foodies are Healing the Soil to Save the Planet. Her new release is called Sweet in Tooth and Claw: Stories of Generosity and Cooperation in the Natural World.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Kristin joins Ross to explain why the study of mutualism in the evolution of nature has lagged, and challenge us to recognize and protect the cooperative relationships among organisms in our ecosystems.
Kristin shares some of her favorite stories from the book, describing how ranchers, scientists, and government leaders worked together to heal a degraded landscape in Eastern Nevada.
Listen in for Kristin’s insight on the growth of regenerative agriculture and learn how mutualism gives organisms superpowers as they work together to survive and thrive in extreme environments.
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Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolutionby Peter Kropotkin
The Biology of Mutualism: Ecology and Evolutionby Douglas H. Boucher
Mutualismby Judith L. Bronstein
Gabe Brown on Reversing Climate Change S2EP31
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 - 39min - 296 - Turning Biomass into "BBQ Sauce" for Carbon Removal—w/ Peter Reinhardt of Charm Industrial
When corn is harvested, the remaining corn stover either gets tilled into the soil or left on top.
But what if we took a portion of that corn stover, converted it into carbon-rich bio-oil, and pumped it deep underground?
Peter Reinhardt is Cofounder and CEO of Charm Industrial, a carbon removal company that is working on a fleet of mobile pyrolyzers that covert ag biomass into bio-oil and sequester it underground.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Peter joins Ross, Siobhan, and Asa to walk us through the process Peter’s team uses to produce bio-oil and weigh in on why he refers to it as ‘BBQ sauce’ in his pitch for Charm.
Peter explains why Charm developed its own measurement, reporting, and verification (MRV) system and explores how much bio-feedstock is available for bio-oil production in the US and around the world.
Listen in to understand the big questions around IP in carbon removal and learn how Charm is turning biomass residue into bio-oil for use in carbon removal and other industrial applications like iron and steel.
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Charm Industrial’s MRV Protocol
Charm Industrial’s Carbon Removal Registry
Carbon Removal Memes on Twitter
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Thu, 27 Oct 2022 - 40min - 295 - S3E27: Climate Industrialism, aka Why Is It So Hard to Build Anything?—w/ Lyn Stoler & Sonam Velani of Parachute
Lyn Stoler and Sonam Velani have coined the phrase Climate Industrialism to describe the optimistic, action-oriented response to climate change they already see happening in many communities around the world.
Lyn and Sonam define Climate Industrialism as ‘a social and economic system built on the creation of climate technologies that yield human and environmental co-benefits.’
What does that mean, exactly? And how does Climate Industrialism create a virtuous cycle for companies building climate solutions and the cities where they choose to build?
Lyn and Sonam are the cocreators of Parachute, a research and storytelling project that shares climate solutions with local governments around the world to make our cities more beautiful, more livable, and more resilient.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Lyn and Sonam join Ross to explore their new model of Climate Industrialism and explain why cities need to take the lead on climate action.
Lyn and Sonam discuss the history behind the regulations and permitting processes that slow industrial building and describe how cities can attract talent by welcoming climate industries.
Listen in to understand the pros and cons of startup cities and learn what municipalities can do to promote both climate change mitigation as well as adaption and resilience through Climate Industrialism.
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Lyn & Sonam’s Piece on Climate Industrialism
UCLA Center for Healthy Climate Solutions
White House Accelerating Infrastructure Summit
The Network State: How to Start a New Country by Balaji Srinivasan
Tue, 25 Oct 2022 - 42min - 294 - Techno-Economic Assessments of Carbon Removal Startups–w/ Grant Faber of Carbon-Based Consulting
Does the carbon removal tech you’re developing have a shot at being cost-competitive in the real world? How might you reduce the cost of a given CDR technology? And how do you convince government funders or investors that your carbon removal idea is viable?
A techno-economic assessment or TEA answers these questions.
So, what is involved in conducting a techno-economic assessment? And how might it help a startup improve the economic performance of its climate tech and maximize its impact?
Grant Faber is Founder and President of Carbon-Based Consulting, a firm that offers techno-economic assessments, early-stage emissions accounting, and market research for startups, investors, and environmental nonprofits in the CDR and CCUS space.
On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Grant joins Ross, Siobhan, and Asa to explain why an understanding of economics is crucial in carbon removal and how a TEA helps us determine the cost per tonne of carbon removal.
Grant walks us through the concept of learning rates, discussing why different technologies have different learning rates, and how founders might apply these principles to reduce costs.
Listen in for insight on the potentially arbitrary nature of life cycle assessments and learn how Grant can help your organization accelerate the commercialization of carbon removal technology.
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Global CO2 Initiative TEA Guidelines
‘Factors Affecting the Cost of Airplanes’ in the Journal of Aeronautical Sciences
‘Evaluating the Causes of Cost Reduction in Photovoltaic Modules’ in Energy Policy
Fri, 21 Oct 2022 - 47min - 293 - S3E26: Why Is Moving Grain Easier than Moving Money?—w/ Dane Braun, VP of Product at Bushel
The easier it is to participate in a sustainability program like Nori, the less motivation it requires for farmers to enroll.
But the current lack of digitization in the ag space makes it challenging for farmers to get paid for carbon removal.
So, is there an easy way to track agricultural data and compensate farmers for regenerative practices?
Dane Braun is Vice President of Product at Bushel, an ag software company that is digitizing the infrastructure for grain.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dane joins Ross and Nori team members Laura Satkowski and Jada Dormaier, to explain how our partnership with Bushel makes it easy for farmers to practice carbon removal.
Dane shares Bushel’s efforts to standardize and connect the many digital applications available to farmers and describes how growers might use data to make decisions around implementing regenerative practices.
Listen in to understand the parallels between how grain is priced as a commodity and the NORI token and learn how farmers might be able to benefit from being part of the Nori-Bushel partnership.
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Nori’s Partnership with FarmLogs by Bushel
Make Your Own Biochar on RCC S3EP25
Dane Braun on UNL’s FarmBits Podcast
Tue, 18 Oct 2022 - 34min - 292 - How to Link Carbon Removal to Travel—w/ Christina Beckmann of Tomorrow's Air
A lot of good comes from travel. It gives us a chance to disconnect and recharge. It exposes us to new things and helps us connect with nature and other people. Plus, we contribute to the local economies in the places we visit.
But travel is not always good for planet. And the climate-conscious among us often feel guilty about the emissions we create when we get on a plane or fill up at the pump for a road trip.
So, what can we do to make travel more environmentally friendly?
Christina Beckmann is the cocreator of Tomorrow’s Air, a collective for travelers and travel businesses to support the scale up of carbon removal technologies.
On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Christina joins Ross, Siobhan, and Asa to discuss the layers of responsibility for climate change and who should be held accountable among travel operators, airlines, governments, and individual travelers.
Christina explains what differentiates the adventure travel community from more “consumptive” travelers and how Tomorrow’s Air is educating both groups about carbon removal technologies.
Listen in for insight on reducing your emissions when you travel and learn how to help Tomorrow’s Air build a community of carbon-removing travelers.
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The Adventure Travel Trade Association
Outside & ATTA Survey on Climate
McKinsey Skift Report on Net-Zero Travel
Carbon Offsets on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
Jack Andreasen on RCC S3EP22 Bonus
Fri, 14 Oct 2022 - 48min - 291 - Carbon Removal in Local Government: The Four Corners Carbon Removal Coalition—w/ Susie Strife, Ramón DC Alatorre, & Chris Neidl
Local governments are surprisingly powerful levers for carbon removal.
While large national governments can be slow and unwieldy, cities and counties can sometimes be much more nimble. They can get carbon removal projects off the ground quickly and share what they learn with other local governments.
So, which municipalities are taking the lead in the CDR space? And how do they integrate carbon removal in the local government landscape?
Susie Strife is the Boulder County Director of Sustainability, Climate Action and Resilience; Ramón DC Alatorre is Climate and Energy Coordinator for the City of Flagstaff; and Chris Neidl is Cofounder of OpenAir Collective.
Together, they are collaborators in forming the Four Corners Carbon Removal Coalition, an alliance of local governments that are pooling resources to fund CDR projects in the Four Corners region of the Southwest US.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Susie, Ramón, and Chris join Ross and Siobhan to explain why Flagstaff and Boulder are ahead of the curve when it comes to carbon removal.
They share the resistance they face when it comes to endorsing carbon offsets and explain how local governments can educate communities around carbon removal.
Listen in to understand why the Four Corners model focuses on funding carbon removal projects that can be replicated and learn how Susie, Ramón, and Chris support other jurisdictions in finding local applications of CDR.
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Four Corners Carbon Removal Coalition
Boulder County Office of Sustainability, Climate Action and Resilience
Boulder County Climate on Twitter
Flagstaff Sustainability Office
‘Local Governments Can Drive Carbon Dioxide Removal Innovation’
Flagstaff Climate Emergency Declaration
Carbon Offsets: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
Eli Mitchell-Larson on Reversing Climate Change S2EP62
The Oxford Offsetting Principles
Boulder County Climate Innovation Fund
Fri, 07 Oct 2022 - 49min - 290 - S3E25: Make Your Own Biochar!—w/ Lottie Hawkins & Connor Lascelles, Cofounders of Earthly Biochar
There are few ways for individuals to participate in carbon removal. Typically, carbon removal is something that someone else does that you pay for.
But what if there was a way for you to practice carbon removal in your own backyard with biochar?
Connor Lascelles and Lottie Hawkins are the Cofounders of Earthly Biochar, a company that manufactures consumer-accessible biochar kilns.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Connor and Lottie join Ross and cohost Jada Dormaier, Supply Account Manager at Nori, to explain what differentiates biochar from charcoal and other soil amendments and how it benefits the soil.
Connor and Lottie describe the process of making your own biochar in an Earthly kiln, discussing where to go for feedstock, and how neighborhoods and municipalities might develop community biochar programs.
Listen in for insight on what questions to ask before you purchase biochar and learn how to try your hand at carbon removal with an Earthly kiln.
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Ross’ Crow Story on Reversing Climate Change Happy Hour
Annalee Levin on Reversing Climate Change S2EP52
Top Lid Up Draft Biochar Machine on YouTube
Charles Dowding’s Charcoal Video
Josiah Hunt at Pacific Biochar
Exeter Biochar Retort Industrial Kiln
Tue, 04 Oct 2022 - 54min - 289 - S3E24: When to Quit Your Climate Startup—w/ Annie Duke, author of Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away
We live in a culture that glamorizes grit and derides giving up. But in the world of climate startups, we can’t afford to spend time on projects that aren’t working.
So, how do you know when to quit?
Decision Strategist Annie Duke is a retired professional poker player and World Series of Poker bracelet holder. She is also the author of several books, including Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Annie joins Ross to explain how to apply decision-making skills from poker and her research in the context of a climate startup.
Annie walks us through her three strategies for deciding when to fold, challenging us to set explicit kill criteria and leverage the ‘monkeys and pedestals’ mental model to abandon projects that aren’t working.
Listen in for Annie’s insight on prioritizing moonshots that develop useful technology and learn how to persevere when projects are worthwhile—and walk away when they’re not.
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Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Awayby Annie Duke
How to Decide: Simple Tools for Making Better Choicesby Annie Duke
Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don’t Have All the Factsby Annie Duke
Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Predictionby Philip E. Tetlock and Dan Gardner
Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseveranceby Angela Duckworth
Tue, 27 Sep 2022 - 50min - 288 - Climate art can be a beautiful thing—w/ Nicole Kelner, Artist-in-Residence at My Climate Journey
Communicating the science behind climate change is a challenge.
But when you present these concepts in an artistic way and make the data beautiful, it’s more engaging and easier to understand. And more likely to inspire climate action.
Nicole Kelner is Artist-in-Residence at My Climate Journey, where she communicates the complex challenges of climate change in a beautiful, accessible way.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Nicole joins Ross, Siobhan, and Asa to explore why people are drawn to her watercolor representations of scientific data and explain her efforts to communicate climate concepts accurately.
Nicole describes how she incorporates humor in her artwork and brainstorms ideas for a potential collaboration with the Nori Meme Lab.
Listen in to understand how Nicole thinks about AI-generated art and learn how her work makes a meaningful difference in the fight against climate change.
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Resources
‘Seaweed Ecosystems May Not Mitigate CO2 Emissions’ inICES Journal of Marine Science
‘Colors of Climate: Nicole Kelner’s Watercolors Bring Calm to Images of Climate Change’ inThe Verge
Carbon Removal Memes on Twitter
Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram
Fri, 23 Sep 2022 - 42min - 287 - S3E23: Can You Price Carbon with Crypto?—w/ Chris Burniske of Placeholder VC
Nori lives at the intersection of climate and crypto, attempting to build a global commodities market for carbon removal on the blockchain.
And while we’ve discussed carbon removal at length on the podcast, we’ve spent less time exploring how one might use crypto to determine a reference price for carbon.
So, what does Nori look like under the hood? How can we use the blockchain as a tool to get the world’s atmospheric carbon balance back to 300 parts per million?
Chris Burniske is Partner at Placeholder VC, a venture capital firm that invests in decentralized networks and Web3 services, including Filecoin, Polkadot, and Nori.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Chris joins Ross and Nori CEO Paul Gambill to explain what differentiates our market-based system for valuing CO2 from other climatetech projects.
Chris and Paul discuss the potential to build a world of complex financial instruments around Nori and describe what market mechanisms one might use to create depth around the pricing of carbon-backed assets.
Listen in to understand how Nori might evolve to become a DAO and learn what distinguishes our approach from companies making advanced market commitments to carbon removal.
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Resources
‘Isomorphism in DAO Governance’ by Mario Laul
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 - 45min - 286 - ReFi, forestry, and distributed MRV—w/ Jeremy Epstein of Open Forest Protocol
Reforestation (and afforestation) projects can take carbon out of the atmosphere. And yet, in our current system, sometimes only the largest, most well-connected projects can afford the verification process.
But what if there was a way to maintain the integrity of the MRV (Measurement, Reporting, and Verification) process, while making it accessible to anyone who wants to plant trees?
Jeremy Epstein is Head of Growth at Open Forest Protocol, a Web3 platform working to transparently measure, verify, and fund forestation projects.
On this CDR Happy Hour bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Jeremy joins Ross and Siobhan to share his definition of regenerative finance and discuss the benefits of putting carbon markets on the blockchain.
Jeremy explains what differentiates OFP from other ReFi projects and explores whether or not derivatives can be good for carbon removal.
Listen in for insight on balancing accuracy with accessibility in carbon markets and learn how to help OFP build the future of distributed MRV.
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Resources
John Oliver’s Piece on Carbon Offsets
The Network State: How to Start a Countryby Balaji Srinivasan
Reminiscences of a Stock Operatorby Edwin Lefevre
Jason Hochman on Reversing Climate Change S3EP20
Siobhan’s TikTok on Photosynthesis
Fri, 16 Sep 2022 - 47min - 285 - Is the DAC stock image a good Halloween costume?—w/ Jack Andreasen of Breakthrough Energy
As a nascent industry, carbon dioxide removal is often misunderstood by the general public.
And that makes CDR humor very niche. Maybe only 5% of people will understand it, but those who do really, really appreciate it.
Just go to a Halloween party dressed as the Climeworks stock photo, and you’ll see what we mean.
Jack Andreasen serves as Manager of Carbon Management in US Policy and Advocacy at Breakthrough Energy, an organization committed to scaling the technologies we need to reach net-zero emissions by 2050. He is also a prolific writer of memes in the CDR space.
On this edition of the Reversing Climate Change CDR Happy Hour, Nori Meme Lab colleagues Ross and Siobhan sit down with Jack to discuss what drew him to carbon dioxide removal and describe his role in ‘carbon middle management’ at Breakthrough.
Jack shares his frustration with having to defend CDR in conversations with people outside the space, explaining how he thinks about the criticisms of direct air capture and the misinformation perpetuated by the mainstream media.
Listen in to understand the range of opinions around the visual aesthetic of solar or wind farms versus DAC machines and get ideas for creating your very own meme-inspired CDR Halloween costume!
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‘Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Nancy Pelosi Leads Gazpacho Police’ inThe Washington Post
Jason Hochman on Reversing Climate Change S3EP20
John Oliver’s Piece on Carbon Offsets
Fri, 09 Sep 2022 - 40min - 284 - How to Pursue a Career in Carbon Removal—w/ Asa Kamer & Siobhan Montoya Lavender of Nori's Meme Lab
Do you wish your career was a little more gratifying? That it gave you the chance to work on something you really care about?
You don't need a science or engineering background to pursue a career in climate solutions. In fact, a variety of skill sets translate to climate work.
So, how do you get into the carbon removal space? Where can you go for resources and networking opportunities?
On this edition of the Reversing Climate ChangeCDR Happy Hour, Nori Meme Lab colleagues Asa Kamer and Siobhan Montoya Lavendar discuss their journey to a career in carbon removal, describing the college and early work experiences that inspired their work in the climate space.
Siobhan and Asa share the top resources for people interested in carbon removal and encourage us to check out the AirMiners community and OpenAir Collective for networking and volunteer opportunities.
Listen in for insight on who to follow for job openings in climate solutions and learn how to go about pursuing a career in the rapidly changing field of carbon removal.
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California Wilderness Coalition
Pitzer College Ontario Program
Na’im Merchant’s Blog Carbon Curve
Siobhan Montoya Lavendar on TikTok
Carbon Removal Memes on Twitter
Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram
Fri, 02 Sep 2022 - 44min - 283 - The Inflation Reduction Act and its downstream memes—w/ the Nori Carbon Removal Meme Lab
On August 16, 2022, the Inflation Reduction Act was signed into law. Whatever you might think about, this legislation is certainly the biggest step forward in climate action in our lifetimes.
But that’s not the only thing we have to talk about in the Nori Carbon Removal Meme Lab this week!
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Ross sits down with fellow memeologists, Siobhan Montoya Lavender and Asa Kamer, to revel in having our Lion King Meme featured on Zeke Hausfather’s Twitter response to a New York Times opinion piece against carbon capture and storage or CCS.
Ross, Siobhan, and Asa also discuss why academics in the carbon removal space have a growing bias toward high durability and high permanence, yet capital is flowing into natural climate solutions.
Listen in to understand the challenges around ton-year carbon accounting and learn about public reaction to the Inflation Reduction Act and how it finances clean energy.
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Carbon Removal Memes on Twitter
Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram
‘Every Dollar Spent on This Climate Technology Is a Waste’ inThe New York Times
Zeke Hausfather’s Twitter Thread
Jason Hochman on Reversing Climate Change S3EP20
John Daly Smoking Next to Tiger Woods Meme Template
Dr. Julio Friedmann on Reversing Climate Change EP016
Ton-Year Accounting on Carbon Removal Newsroom
Fri, 26 Aug 2022 - 23min - 282 - S3E22: Keep Cool and Cover Climatetech—w/ Nick Van Osdol of the Keep Cool newsletter
For climate startups to find customers, attract talent, and secure funding, they need to communicate their value effectively.
But how do you deliver content that explains complex ideas in an accessible way? How do you synthesize information to appeal to a variety of audiences?
Nick Van Osdol is a writer on the Nori team, the creator of the Keep Coolnewsletter, and host of The Keep Cool Show, a podcast that gives promising climate tech startups an opportunity to pitch investors.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Nick joins Ross to explain why communications is an undervalued sector within the climate space and discuss his work on the forthcoming updated version of the Nori white paper.
Nick shares his interest in how the Inflation Reduction Act’s $370B for climate action will be deployed and describes the challenge of scaling supply to accommodate Advanced Market Commitments to buy carbon credits.
Listen in for Nick’s take on pragmatism versus idealism in the climate space and learn how a talented content creator thinks about the geopolitical implications of scaling renewable energy.
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Nori Whitepaper (this is the old version but we will update with the new version when it is published)
The Network Stateby Balaji Srinivasan
Head of Brand Marketing Opening at Nori
Evan Hynes on Reversing Climate Change
Stanford 100% Renewables Study
The End of the World Is Just the Beginningby Peter Zeihan
Tue, 23 Aug 2022 - 49min - 281 - Does CO2 want to be free or stored snugly? Which is funnier?—w/ the Nori Carbon Removal Meme Lab
How do you create original content in the carbon removal space?
In its podcast content, the Nori creative team looks for unique voices, encouraging guests on Reversing Climate Change and Carbon Removal Newsroom to explore nuance.
As for their carbon removal memes, the writers are currently mining the movies they watch with their kids and popular online satirical humor (think The Onion and Reductress) for ideas.
On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Ross sits down with his colleagues in the Nori Meme Lab, Siobhan Montoya Lavender and Asa Kamer, to discuss why ascribing agency to CO2 is funny and describe how they look for meme potential in cinema—not to be confused with Krysten Sinema, though they have insight on her too.
Ross, Siobhan, and Asa offer stories of celebrity sightings and consider who qualifies as a ‘climate celeb,’ sharing examples of the academics and podcast guests they’re guilty of gushing over.
Listen in to understand how we showcase productive disagreement in both Nori podcasts and get in on the Meme Lab team’s latest ideas for carbon removal meme threads, including ClickHole-style headlines and recaptioning existing satirical content.
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Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens on Twitter
Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram
Dennis Baldocci on ResearchGate
Elizabeth Kolbert on Reversing Climate Change S2EP50
Mark Bittman on Reversing Climate Change S2EP69
David Ho on Carbon Removal Newsroom S3EP41
Stubborn Little Leisure Lords on ClickHole
Let’s Rank the Religions on ClickHole
Fri, 19 Aug 2022 - 41min - 280 - S3E21: Direct Ocean Capture or Direct Air Capture?—w/ Steve Oldham, CEO of Captura
Direct air capture (DAC) is growing in popularity around the world, and it is an important tool for reducing CO2 in the atmosphere.
But 30% of all the carbon dioxide we’ve emitted to date is stored in the ocean.
So, what can we do to sequester CO2 from ocean water? Is the technology similar to that of direct air capture? How does the process work?
Steve Oldham is former CEO of DAC pioneer Carbon Engineering and current CEO of Captura, a startup working to capture carbon dioxide from our oceans at scale.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Steve joins Ross and cohost Radhika Moolgavkar, Head of Supply and Methodology at Nori, to explain what he believes may make direct ocean capture cheaper and easier than DAC.
Steve discusses how the natural equilibrium between the ocean and the atmosphere provides an opportunity for carbon removal and describes how his team evaluates candidate sites with a focus on existing oil and gas infrastructure.
Listen in for Steve’s insight on the greatest challenges facing carbon dioxide removal (CDR) and learn how Captura’s signature electrodialysis process captures CO2 while attempting to avoid disrupting the ocean.
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Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
California’s Low Carbon Fuel Standard
Frontier’s Carbon Removal Initiative
Net-Zero Emissions Procurement by 2050
CE’s Partnership with Occidental
Tue, 16 Aug 2022 - 42min - 279 - Hey! It's a carbon removal meme writers room happy hour!—w/ Siobhan Montoya Lavender
Most carbon removal content is highly technical and very serious.
But it doesn’t have to be.
So, what would it look like to produce carbon removal content that is a little looser? A little less informational? A little more appealing to a lay audience? And a little more fun?
On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Ross sits down with fellow memeologist and Thanks a Ton Cofounder Siobhan Montoya Lavender to have an informal conversation that infuses some fun in the carbon removal community.
Ross and Siobhan discuss how they think about choosing between science and funny in the context of a meme and describe the value in producing content that is less utilitarian and more accessible to the general population.
Listen in for the story of Ross’ harrowing experience with a group of very aggressive crows and enjoy 30 minutes of lighthearted carbon removal content!
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Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens on Twitter
Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram
Fri, 12 Aug 2022 - 35min - 278 - S3E20: Advancing Direct Air Capture, One Meme at a Time—w/ Jason Hochman of the DAC Coalition
The direct air capture industry is attempting to recreate the oil and gas sector in reverse—at a highly accelerated rate.
And those of us in the space have a tremendous opportunity to build something truly impactful.
But how do we educate the general public around the carbon removal technologies at our disposal? Can a well-crafted meme help people understand the benefits of direct air capture?
Jason Hochman is Cofounder and Senior Director of the recently launched Direct Air Capture Coalition, a global nonprofit working to educate, engage, and mobilize society around the deployment of DAC technology at the pace and scale the climate crisis requires. He also happens to be an accomplished mememaker in the carbon removal space.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Jason joins Ross and cohost Siobhan Montoya Lavender to do a live meme workshop, sharing his approach to writing DAC-themed memes for popular Simpsons and Sith Kermit templates.
Jason discusses the early growth of the Direct Air Capture Coalition, describing how it seeks to serve as an educational resource and platform for collaboration among its 44 member organizations.
Listen in to understand the biggest problems facing the mass adoption of direct air capture and learn how Jason is addressing pushback on DAC with resources like the DAC Report Library as well as his CDR 101 meme thread.
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Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens on Twitter
Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram
Carbon Removal Memes on Reversing Climate Change S3EP18
Groundskeeper Willie -- Damn Scots
Tue, 09 Aug 2022 - 50min - 277 - S3E19: How a large winemaker thinks about sustainability—with Steve Lohr of J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines
As a consumer who cares about climate change, you may be shopping for organic, local, or even regenerative food products. But does your support of sustainable agriculture extend to wine?
How does a winemaker earn the certified sustainable distinction? And what does sustainable viticulture look like?
Steve Lohr is President and CEO of J. Lohr Vineyards and Wines, a winemaking operation with vineyards in Monterey County, Paso Robles, and Napa Valley, California. J. Lohr is dedicated to sustainability and the environment, and Steve’s team earned the 2020 Green Medal Leader Award from the California Sustainable Winegrowing Alliance.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Steve joins Ross to discuss J. Lohr’s sustainability practices, describing how an operation of scale can make large investments in sustainable practices in an attempt to move the needle, and why Steve believes in sustainability at any size of business. How much of a business attempting sustainability is cost-saving and how much is brand value?
Listen in for insight on how installing a solar tracking array reduced J. Lohr’s electric bill by an order of magnitude and get Steve’s advice on how to get started with drinking sustainable wines.
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J. Lohr’s Sustainability Initiatives
Paul Wagner on Reversing Climate Change S3EP10
California Sustainable Winegrowing Alliance
J. Lohr’s Certified Sustainable Merlot
Tue, 02 Aug 2022 - 58min - 276 - S3E18: Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens—w/ Siobhan Montoya Lavender & Asa Kamer
Here at Nori, we take climate change very seriously. But we don’t want to take ourselves too seriously.
So, we developed the Memelab as a way to engage with other carbon removal enthusiasts and introduce a new audience the idea of removing CO2 from the atmosphere—with humor.
Asa Kamer is Producer of the Carbon Removal Newsroom podcast. Siobhan Montoya Lavendar is Cofounder at Thanks a Ton. And they are both part of the writing team for Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Asa and Siobhan join Ross to share the origin of Nori’s Carbon Removal Memelab and explain why it’s so challenging to identify what makes a successful meme.
Asa, Siobhan, and Ross describe the important role comedy can play in reversing climate change, discussing why self-deprecating humor works better than being mean, and how they iterate on a joke to be funny without being offensive.
Listen in for insight around why it's fun to riff on common objections to carbon removal and learn how to engage with our memes on your social media platform of choice.
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Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram
Jewish Comedy: A Serious Historyby Jeremy Dauber
Dr. Julio Friedmann on Reversing Climate Change EP016
Jane Flegal on Reversing Climate Change EP005
The Office BFFsby Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey
Tue, 26 Jul 2022 - 51min - 275 - S3E17: Black holes, climate change, & ... Christianity?—w/ Dr. Heino Falcke, astrophysicist
"We humans are just specks of dust on a slightly bigger speck of dust in the immeasurable vastness of space. We can't cause stars to
explode, we don't set the wheels of galaxies spinning, and it is not we who span the vault of heaven above us. But we can marvel at the
universe and ask questions about it. We can have faith, hope, and love in this world-and this makes us stardust of a very special kind."—Dr. Heino Falcke
We tend to think that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive. But for Dr. Heino Falcke, a belief in something bigger complements his understanding of the universe.
Dr. Falcke is a Professor of Astroparticle Physics and Radio Astronomy at Radboud University. He is also the author of Light in the Darkness: Black Holes, the Universe, and Us.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dr. Falcke joins Ross and cohost and Nori advisor David Addison to discuss the origin of carbon molecules and describe what drew him to the study of black holes.
Dr. Falcke explains how he captured the first photograph of a black hole through the Event Horizon Telescope project, sharing what he learned from collaborating with 350 other astrophysicists on EHT and how we might apply those learnings to other global challenges like climate change.
Listen in to understand why the complex systems of the universe are inherently unpredictable and learn how Dr. Falcke bridges the gap between the scientific and the spiritual world.
Resources
Light in the Darkness: Black Holes, the Universe, and Us by Heino Falcke
‘Viewing the Shadow of the Black Hole at the Galactic Center’ inThe Astrophysical Journal
Press Conference Introducing the First Image of the Black Hole
Peter Brannen on Reversing Climate Change EP087
Event Horizon Telescope Project
Tue, 14 Jun 2022 - 51min - 274 - S3E16: How to save vanishing foodways and why!—w/ Dan Saladino, author of Eating to Extinction
The Green Revolution in the second half of the 20th century was seen as an important solution to the problem of malnutrition in the developing world at the time.
And while it may have succeeded in staving off hunger, the industrialization of agriculture created a whole new set of problems, chief among them a lack of diversity in our food system.
Why does this matter? What is the food monoculture costing us? And what can we do to bring back some of the diverse foodways we’ve lost along the way?
Dan Saladino is the renowned food journalist behind BBC Radio 4’s The Food Programmeand author of Eating to Extinction: The World’s Rarest Foods and Why We Need to Save Them.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Dan joins Ross to explain why we so desperately need biodiversity in our food system, exploring why diverse foods may taste better, and could be better for us.
Dan walks us through several examples of rare foods discussed in his book and offers insight on the people working to revive old foodways.
Listen in to understand how the war in Ukraine is causing a food crisis and learn what we can do to create a system that is more resilient, more robust, and healthier—both for people and the planet.
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Eating to Extinction: The World’s Rarest Foods and Why We Need to Save Themby Dan Saladino
Royal Botanic Gardens in Kew Research
Consider the Axe: Food, Farming and the Wonders of Stonehenge on The Food Programme
Tue, 07 Jun 2022 - 55min - 273 - S3E15: Will NFTs Go Carbon-Negative?—w/ Alexander Salnikov, cofounder of Rarible
Many of the artists and creators who mint nonfungible tokens (NFTs) are concerned about the environmental impact of the blockchain.
But what if they could pair carbon removal with any given NFT to make it carbon-negative?
Alexander Salnikov is Cofounder and Chief Strategy Officer at Rarible: a multichain, community-centric NFT marketplace.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Alexander joins Ross and cohost Alexsandra Guerra, Nori’s Director of Corporate Development, to discuss the partnership between Nori and Rarible, describing how it affords Rarible users the opportunity to address their carbon footprint.
Alexander explains how NFTs function as an effective way to store assets on the blockchain, exploring the many different use cases for NFTs, and how having access to a community is attracting new users to the space.
Listen in for Alexander’s insight around the future of NFTs and learn how blockchain technology might be used to make all our systems more transparent, faster, and more efficient.
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Rarible’s Partnership with Nori
Aspen Ideas Climate Conference
Retina Ghost: creator of the Nori Proof-of-Attendance NFTs from the Miami event
Nori Token Pre-Launch Carnival Recap
Jesse Smith onReversing Climate ChangeS3EP12
Ross’s Nori Logo Graveyard NFT
Imogen Heap onReversing Climate ChangeS2EP72
Tue, 24 May 2022 - 34min - 272 - S3E14: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times—w/ Mónica Guzmán
Mónica Guzmán has some difficult conversations with her parents. She’s a liberal Democrat, while her mom and dad voted enthusiastically for Trump both times.
So, how does she bridge the political divide and maintain a loving relationship with her parents, despite their differences of opinion?
And what can you and I do to develop intellectual curiosity and see difficult issues from different points of view?
Mónica is the Digital Director at Braver Angels , the nation’s largest nonprofit working to depolarize America. She is also the author of the new book, I Never Thought of It That Way: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Mónica joins Ross to discuss how she navigates the relationship with her conservative Republican parents, describing why it’s important to maintain connections with friends and family who don’t see things the way you do.
Mónica explains how condescension and curiosity are mutually exclusive, challenging us to begin conversations by believing that the other person’s perspective is valid and asking questions around how they came to their beliefs.
Listen in to understand how the more facets of an issue you see, the closer you are to the truth, and learn how to be open to influence or new information that might change your opinion.
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Tue, 17 May 2022 - 39min - 271 - S3E13: Why genocide and war can follow an extreme weather event—w/ Scott Carney & Dr. Jason Miklian
A long-term study of climate and conflict determined that in places with large populations and a history of political exclusion of ethnic groups, nearly one-third of the wars initiated in the last 40 years were preceded by a climate disaster.
So, what is the connection between climate emergencies and armed conflict? Why do climate disasters escalate political disputes? And what can we do about it?
Scott Carney is an investigative journalist, anthropologist, and New York Times bestselling author. Dr. Jason Miklian serves as a senior researcher at the Center for Development and the Environment at the University of Oslo. Together they are the authors of The Vortex: A True Story of History’s Deadliest Storm, an Unspeakable War, and Liberation.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Scott and Jason join Ross to discuss the geopolitical landscape of South Asia after World War II and explain how the 1970 Bhola Cyclone led to the genocide of 3 million people and triggered the Indo-Pakistani War.
Scott and Jason describe how the conflict between West Pakistan, East Pakistan (later, Bangladesh) and India played out geopolitically with the Cold War between the US and the Soviet Union and offer insight into President Nixon and Pakistani President Yahya Khan’s roles in furthering the Sino-Soviet split.
Listen in to understand why climate disasters serve as catalysts for war, what lessons we can learn from the fight for Bangladesh, and what we can do to prevent armed conflict in the wake of climate emergencies moving forward.
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Center for Development and the Environment at the University of Oslo
Train to Pakistanby Khushwant Singh
The Ministry for the Futureby Kim Stanley Robinson
Tue, 10 May 2022 - 48min - 270 - S3E12: The bleeding edge of regenerative agriculture—w/ Jesse Smith of White Buffalo Land Trust
What is the gap between what farmers know now and what they need to know to farm more regeneratively? How do we close that gap?
What is the best way to advocate for the adoption of regenerative agriculture practices?
Jesse Smith is the Director of Land Stewardship at White Buffalo Land Trust, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit dedicated to practicing, promoting and perfecting the principles and practices of regenerative ag.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Jesse joins Ross to explain how WBLT furthers regenerative ag through the development of products, training programs, and scientific research.
Jesse shares WBLT’s focus on teaching the integration of annual and perennial cropping with animal systems and offers advice on attracting young engineers, scientists, and creative artists to the regenerative ag space.
He goes on to discuss the benefit of ecosystem service payments, describing what he views as the unfair advantage producers have in regions with a higher potential for carbon sequestration and what markets like Nori can do about it.
Listen in for Jesse’s insight on using distributed ledger technology and blockchain to support regenerative ag and learn how you can support White Buffalo Land Trust and its consumer-facing brand, Figure Ate Foods.
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Leah Penniman on Reversing Climate Change S2EP57
Center for Regenerative Agriculture at Jalama Canyon Ranch
California’s Healthy Soils Program
The NRCS Conservation Stewardship Program
USDA Local Food Promotion Program
How a Warming Climate Is Changing Wine on Reversing Climate Change S3EP10
Tue, 03 May 2022 - 55min - 269 - S3E11: A Farmer’s Take on Monetizing Soil Carbon on the Blockchain—w/ Cory Willis
What inspires a farmer to monetize soil carbon?
For those already implementing regenerative practices and collecting the associated data, selling carbon credits provides an additional income stream, rewarding farmers for sequestering carbon in the soil, and potentially encourages new adopters to join.
And that's on top of the money they’re already saving through practices like no-till planting and cover cropping.
Cory Willis is a farmer at Nori supplier Willis Farms, a multigenerational, family owned and operated farm in Southern Middle Tennessee. In its 70-year history, Willis Farms has grown to nearly 4,000 acres of productive cropland and pasture, and Cory’s family uses regenerative methods on every acre under their care.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Cory joins Ross and Nori Supply Account Manger Sean Foster to discuss the history of farming in the Willis family, describing when they started using regenerative agriculture and how the practices benefit their operation.
Cory shares his experience working with Sean and the rest of the Nori team, explaining what inspired his interest in monetizing soil carbon, and why partnering with us was the right decision for Willis Farms. How does Nori’s cryptocurrency token affect how he views the risk of participation in Nori?
Listen in for Cory’s advice to farmers considering regenerative ag and find out what Willis Farms is doing with the extra income from selling carbon credits on the Nori marketplace.
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Natural Resources Conservation Service
Tue, 19 Apr 2022 - 39min - 268 - S3E10: How a Warming Climate Is Changing Wine—with Paul Wagner, wine educator and lecturer
The Rhône Valley of France is famous for its Syrah, Grenache, and Viognier grapes (among others), while Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, and Cab Franc (et al!) are grown in Bordeaux. And these wine grapes have thrived in their respective regions for centuries.
But what happens when rising temperatures change the kinds of grapes that can be grown in a particular area?
How is the climate crisis changing the way wine is produced? And what can we do as consumers to promote sustainability among winemakers?
Paul Wagner is a Viticulture and Winery Technology Instructor at Napa Valley College and Cohost of Bottle Talk with Rick and Paul. He also serves as guest lecturer at multiple universities in Europe and the US and offers several wine-related courses as part of The Great Courses lecture series.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Paul joins Ross to explain what attracts him to the artistry and experience of winemaking, exploring what makes wine grapes sweeter than any other fruit and how they give you a sense of both place and time.
Paul describes how climate is changing the way wine is made everywhere in the world, discussing what winemakers are doing to avoid rising temperatures and how the climate crisis might influence the evolution of wine in places like Bordeaux and Rhone.
Listen in for insight on how climate informs the alcohol content in wine and get Paul’s advice for the environmentally conscious on choosing a wine you like—and then finding a winemaker who’s working toward carbon neutrality.
(Wine is discussed for its own sake for the first twenty or so minutes. If you want to skip right to the intersection with climate, it begins at 24:32.)
Connect with Nori
Check out our other podcast,Carbon Removal Newsroom
Resources
Napa Valley College Viticulture & Winery Technology Department
Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat: Mastering the Elements of Good Cookingby Samin Nosrat
Familia Torres: Wine & Climate Change
Wine Folly: The Essential Guide to Wineby Madeline Puckette and Justin Hammack
Tue, 12 Apr 2022 - 58min - 267 - S3E9: Carbon Removal Newsroom: the people behind CDR's panel news show—w/ host Radhika Moolgavkar & producer Asa Kamer
Carbon Removal Newsroom, the sister podcast to Reversing Climate Change, was born out of a desire to explore current events in the carbon removal space from a policy perspective.
But since the show debuted in early 2019, its production team has evolved and so has our approach to discussing the latest in climate news.
Radhika Moolgavkar is Head of Supply and Methodology at Nori and Host of Carbon Removal Newsroom, and Asa Kamer serves as Producer of CRN.
On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Radhika and Asa join Ross to explain how CRN evolved to focus on the business, policy, and science of carbon removal news and share their favorite episodes from the recent past.
Radhika and Asa explore how podcasting facilitates thoughtful public conversations around meaningful issues and describe how a show benefits when its host approaches the subject matter with a beginner’s mind.
Listen in to understand how CRN stays up on big news in the industry and get Radhika and Asa’s take on the future of carbon removal.
Connect with Nori
Check out our other podcast,Carbon Removal Newsroom
Resources
Chris Barnard at the American Conservation Coalition
The Boom in Carbon Removal Legislation and Funding on CRN EP045
Noah McQueen of Heirloom on CRN S3EP28
OpenAir’s Toby Bryce on CRN S3EP29
Chan-Zuckerburg Initiative Invests $44M in Carbon Removal on CRN S3EP30
Ocean-Based Carbon Removal on CRN S3EP32
Ton-Year Accounting with Carbon Direct on CRN S3EP31
Eight DAC Companies to Watch in 2022 on CRN S3EP27
Forest Carbon Over-Crediting on CRN S3EP21
Climate Reparations on CRN S3EP26
Carbon Removal Memes on Instagram
Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens on Facebook
Carbon Removal Memes for Climate Restorative Teens on Twitter
Tue, 05 Apr 2022 - 43min
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