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The Martinus Cosmology Podcast
Welcome to the Martinus Cosmology Podcast! This is a new podcast dedicated to talks and reflections on life, seen from the perspective of the Danish writer Martinus’ spiritual works. Here, you will find podcasts and short video introductions on all kinds of topics, relating to the main issues of Martinus’ world picture.
- 54 - Episode 54: Working at the Martinus Institute
In this episode Mary McGovern interviews Torben Husum, the current manager of the Martinus Institute in Frederiksberg, Copenhagen. After finding an article by Martinus and not least a captivating photo of him in the Danish magazine Gralen (The Grail), Torben embarked on a private, intensive study of Livets Bog (The Book of Life). Only many years later did he begin to attend lectures and courses on Martinus Cosmology.
Today he works at the Martinus Institute with various tasks including coordinating volunteers, looking after the fabric of the building, live-streaming lectures, and maintaining the institute’s website: www.martinus.dk.
Already a published author of three books and several short stories, he is currently writing a short introduction to Martinus’s life and world picture. He finds it important to provide a brief biography of Martinus and to convey, among many other aspects of Martinus’s world picture, an explanation of the meaning of darkness and the evolution of sexuality. Inspired by Martinus’s analysis that we are all “wounded refugees between two kingdoms”, meaning that we are no longer pure animals but not yet completely evolved human beings, this episode takes up aspects of mankind’s progression towards the resolution of some of its current challenges.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at the Martinus Institute on 5th September 2024.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Marie Rosenkrantz Gjedsted
Links and notes:
Live-streamed lectures on Martinus Cosmology in several languages: crowdcast.io/martinusinstitut. Scroll down through the many Scandinavian titles until you find titles in English.
The Martinus Institute’s English You Tube channel for free lectures and interviews:https://www.youtube.com/@TheMartinusInstitute
Opening hours at The Martinus Institute: Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays 10am–4pm. Also open on approx. alternate Saturdays, when there are lectures. Check martinus.dk for the calendar of events.
Mon, 09 Sep 2024 - 46min - 53 - Episode 53: Near-death experiences and reincarnation
Is consciousness a product of the brain, or is the brain a tool for consciousness? What do people typically experience during near-death experiences and what effect does it have on them? What, if anything, do near-death experiences have in common with other spiritual experiences? Can reincarnation solve the mystery of the apparent injustice of the one-life theory?
These are some of the questions taken up in this episode in which Mary McGovern interviews Tobias Anker Stripp and Sören Grind about near-death experiences and reincarnation from the perspective of research into near-death experiences and from the perspective of spiritual science.
Tobias Anker Stripp is a medical doctor working in Denmark. He is also a Reiki master and a researcher who has done research into near-death experiences and has been the driving force behind the establishing of a Danish network for people who have had near-death experiences.
Sören Grind is a Swedish psychologist, now living in Denmark, and the author of three books based on Martinus’s world picture, the latest of which is entitled “Reincarnation – a loving and logical view of life” (not yet available in English).
Links for further information:
“Reincarnation gives life meaning”, an article by Sören Grind In: English Kosmos no 1/2024: https://www.martinus.dk/en/english-ko...
Dr. Tobias Anker Stripp’s website: https://tobiasankerstripp.dk
Sören Grind’s books in Swedish and Danish: https://www.adlibris.com/se/sok?q=sör...
“Through the Gates of Death – Sleep and Death”, an article by Martinus describing how it is to die as a child, a youth, an adult and in old age: https://www.martinus.dk/en/martinus-w...
“The Immortality of Living Beings” by Martinus https://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index....
International Association for Near-Death Studies, Inc. https://iands.org
Pim van Lommel, cardiologist and author of the bestseller “Consciousness Beyond Life” https://pimvanlommel.nl/en/
Bruce Greyson, psychiatrist and author of “After - A Doctor Explores What Near-Death Experiences Reveal About Life and Beyond" https://www.brucegreyson.com/
Recorded in Denmark via Zoom on 7 th February 2024.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Thu, 08 Feb 2024 - 56min - 52 - Episode 52: The World Situation and the Future
In this lecture Ole Therkelsen describes how the atrocities of war and the enormous amount of suffering they cause gradually bring about the evolution of the Earth as a living individual and of the mankind that inhabits it. The Earth and its human beings are sphynx beings with a consciousness that is partly dominated by the killing principle and partly by the desire to love and serve everyone. Eventually the loving aspect will take over completely, leading to the creation of a completely loving, empathic and just world society.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com.
He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen in Zagreb, Croatia on 1st May 2007.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Marie Rosenkrantz Gjedsted
Fri, 22 Dec 2023 - 1h 03min - 51 - Episode 51: Martinus and Western esotericism
In this episode Mary McGovern talks to Mikael Krall about his master’s dissertation Martinus’ Spiritual Science: An Original Contribution to Western Esotericism?, which was published as a book in 2019. Krall compares Martinus’ world picture with the worldviews of three other Western esoteric philosophers: Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey and Rudolf Steiner. His aim was to see if Martinus contributes anything new to Western esotericism, and if so, what.
Krall found that Martinus did indeed make unique and original contributions to Western esotericism. On the structural level, his finding was that Martinus uses logical reasoning to a far greater extent when presenting his worldview than Blavatsky, Steiner and Bailey do in their accounts. This can perhaps fulfil the needs of secularised seekers of truth. On the content level, Martinus’ most important contribution is, according to Krall, a clear, logical and consistent theory of how experience comes about and is eternally maintained. Martinus also describes why memory is an important function of consciousness and how it is related to the body of memory, one of Martinus’ six basic energy bodies, a body not presented by the other three authors. Krall describes this function and body as being of key importance in Martinus’ worldview when he logically explains the process of involution and thereby the eternal renewal and maintenance of consciousness through spiral cycles of evolution. Another important contribution, according to Krall, is Martinus’ analysis of a living microcosmos within us and even within the food we eat. Martinus points to our moral responsibility for the well-being of these microbeings, thus widening the sphere in need of our compassion. Martinus’ analysis of sexual evolution and the transformation of the sexual poles is also seen to contribute to the understanding of consciousness and its developmental levels. Krall’s final conclusion is that Martinus’ spiritual science and world picture is an original contribution to Western esotericism.
Mikael Krall is a psychologist and psychotherapist in Gothenburg, Sweden. He is a private researcher and scholar in the field of Western esotericism.
Mikael Krall’s book is currently out of print but will be reprinted in 2024.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Institute, Copenhagen on 8th October 2023.
Photo: Mary McGovern
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Tue, 17 Oct 2023 - 58min - 50 - Episode 50: Martinus Cosmology, logic and the problems of consciousness
This episode is produced in collaboration with the Swedish podcast Kosmologipodden. Hosts Micael Söderberg and Mary McGovern interview Nikolaj Pilgaard Petersen about logic, the easy and hard problems of consciousness and about how Martinus’s world picture informs Nikolaj’s views of philosophy, science, materialism and the experience of life.
How does Martinus define logic? What does logic have to do with love? Why does consciousness exist at all? Why do we experience anything? Is our brain even necessary? These are some of the questions we take up in this episode.
Nikolaj Pilgaard Petersen is a teacher with a PhD in Philosophy and an MSc in history and mathematics. In addition to teaching and communication, he does research work in the field of philosophy; he is the author of several books on philosophical topics for a wide, Danish-speaking audience including “Hvad er virkeligheden mon i virkeligheden?" (What is reality in reality?) (2016) as well as a number of scientific articles.
Nikolaj has two YouTube channels: In English: “The Nature of Reality” https://youtu.be/SifWPCOxUXk and in both English and Danish: https://www.youtube.com/@npilgaard/videos.
This podcast was recorded by Micael Söderberg and Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint on 3rd August 2023.
Photos: Bo Edvindsson
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sat, 19 Aug 2023 - 1h 05min - 49 - Episode 49: Martinus: His Life and World Picture
In this episode Mary McGovern interviews Lennart Pasborg, the Danish film director who has recently made a documentary film about the Danish spiritual writer Martinus (1890-1981). His film is entitled “Martinus: His Life and World Picture” (42 mins.) and portrays both Martinus’s ordinary, everyday life and his extraordinary spiritual cosmology.
In 1921, at the age of 30, Martinus underwent a series of profound spiritual experiences that — as he himself explains — left him with extraordinary, intuitive sensory abilities. With his 10,000 pages of writing and 100 symbols he contributes to an understanding of the mystery of life and the individual's life and fate, and to the development of a new and peaceful world culture based on tolerance, humaneness and love for all living things.
Lennart Pasborg first encountered Martinus’s works in 1984 and immediately wanted to make a film about his world picture. Little did he know at the time that 38 years would pass before he achieved his goal. Lennart’s other works include documentary films on art, music, ballet, spirituality, and on philosophy and children.
Here is a link to the English version of the film. It has an English voiceover and optional English subtitles.
And here is a link to the Danish version “Martinus – liv og verdensbillede”.
Spanish and Swedish subtitles are available.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Institute, Frederiksberg, Copenhagen Denmark on 14thMarch 2023.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sun, 19 Mar 2023 - 32min - 48 - Episode 48: The Rise of Internationalism
“Internationalism is the unselfishness of a nation, and nationalism is the selfishness or egoism of a nation.” Martinus: The Fate of Mankind, chap. 45
In this lecture Ole Therkelsen points to the inevitability of the development of internationalism, despite all current attempts to hang on to nationalism. He looks at the anatomy of war and the anatomy of peace and asks, “What can we each do to contribute to world peace?” He quotes Martinus as saying that the best thing we can do is to change ourselves – not the others – and turn ourselves into “cells of peace” in the body of the Earth. This involves forgiving our so-called enemies, understanding our fate and seeing the necessity of practising neighbourly love in all aspects of life.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com.
He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 31st July 2008.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Marie Rosenkrantz Gjedsted
Thu, 15 Dec 2022 - 51min - 47 - Episode 47: Economics – present and future
Martinus’s spiritual world view includes an analysis of the evolution of our current economic system towards a future situation in which the “false business principle” – getting as much as possible as possible for as little as possible – will be replaced by the “true business principle” based on the equal exchange of assets. He envisions a time-based economy to which everyone – with the exception of children, the elderly and the sick – will gladly contribute. With the inevitable growth of neighbourly love and selflessness, no one will want to be a burden on society or earn anything at the expense of others.
Mary McGovern interviews Lasse Vogelsang on these themes and on the future of our working lives in a coming international world state.
Lasse Vogelsang has a long-standing interest in Martinus Cosmology, having encountered it thirty years ago at the age of seventeen. His professional background is in IT. Economics is one of his interests.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 20th October 2022.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sat, 05 Nov 2022 - 52min - 46 - Episode 46: Evidence for the survival of consciousness after bodily death
In 2021 Else Byskov submitted an essay entitled “The Best Available Evidence for the Survival of Human Consciousness after Permanent Bodily Death” to an essay competition set up by the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies (https://www.bigelowinstitute.org/). In this interview with Mary McGovern and Micael Söderberg, she presents some of this evidence and covers such topics as near-death experiences, past-life memories in children, regression therapy, the process of rebirth and multiple personality disorder.
Else mentions Martinus’s symbol no. 34 about the process of rebirth. See the symbol and its explanation here
Her essay is available in English from Amazon and in Danish from Saxo
Else Byskov has written and published nine books in English about Martinus Cosmology, including Life After Death in a Nutshell, Fate and Karma in a Nutshell, Reincarnation in a Nutshell (with Maria McMahon), Death is an Illusion and The Art of Attraction. See her website: http://newspiritualscience.com/
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern and Micael Söderberg at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 3rd August 2021 as a collaboration between The Martinus Cosmology Podcast and the Swedish podcast Kosmologipodden.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Thu, 01 Sep 2022 - 56min - 45 - Episode 45: Sleep, dreams and death
Why do we have to sleep? What is sleep? What are dreams? And what is death? These are some of the questions Ole Therkelsen takes up in this lecture. He explains that during sleep our nervous system is repaired. The traffic of our thoughts, which sends electrical currents through our nerves, is temporarily stopped to allow essential repair work to be done. In the meantime our consciousness is moved onto a spiritual plane, where we also experience life. This move to a spiritual plane can be achieved in six different ways: through death, sleep, anesthesia, fainting, deep trance and hypnosis. He explores how the quality of our sleep is determined in part by the quality our thoughts and by our physical habits, such as drinking stimulants and using alarm clocks. He distinguishes between natural fatigue, which can be resolved through rest and sleep, and unnatural fatigue, which can be resolved through changing our way of thinking. Death proves to be the biggest surprise in life because you wake up in a spiritual world where you can continue to experience life. Ole mentions Martinus’s article “Through the Gates of Death – Sleep and Death”, which you will find here.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com.
He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 11th August 2006.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Berit Djuse
Wed, 16 Feb 2022 - 57min - 44 - Episode 44: Understanding Eternity
Can eternity be understood? Is there a difference between how physical science and spiritual science view eternity? Did life originate at a specific point in time or has it always existed in some form?
In this lecture Ole Therkelsen explores the concepts of eternity and temporality from the perspective of Martinus’s world picture. He presents the principle of contrasts and the principle of hunger and satiation, which are key to the experience of eternal life. “If you introduce eternity, life makes sense,” he says. If we had only one life, there would no justice in life whatsoever. Darkness and suffering would have no meaning. Martinus’s analysis of eternity is the backbone of his cosmology and can help one understand that all living beings are part of the same organism and consciousness, the organism and consciousness of God.
Ole mentions symbol no. 6 The Living Being 1 and symbol no. 100 The Causeless Cause or the First Cause in this lecture. For a brief description, follow the links.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com.
He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 28th July 2008.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Marie Rosenkrantz Gjedsted
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Thu, 23 Dec 2021 - 55min - 43 - Episode 43: How can we see our karma as a friend?
Martinus describes karma as the law of cause and effect, as life’s way of helping us to evolve towards becoming truly empathic, loving human beings.
In this episode Mary McGovern interviews the Swedish psychologist, writer and lecturer Sören Grind. They discuss the role of both pleasant and unpleasant karma as a motor driving our evolution and as a mirror showing us how we are capable of behaving towards other people, our own organisms, animals and the planet on which we live. They look at the quality or essence of the energies we send out and how we can use an increasingly intimate relationship to God and knowledge of cosmic laws to support us when the going gets tough and to express gratitude when life is pleasant.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at the Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 21st October 2021.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Marie Rosenkrantz Gjedsted.
Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Thu, 21 Oct 2021 - 51min - 42 - Episode 42: The I – the fixed point in the middle of the universe
In this interview, Anne Külper and Mary McGovern try to approach an understanding of the “I” – the innermost core of our being. It is that something within us that experiences and creates. Martinus describes it as the “fixed point” in a sea of movements, a contrast to the movements that makes experiencing them possible. Having no physical form, it is untouched by life and death; through the principle of reincarnation the I experiences life eternally through ever-changing physical and spiritual forms.
You can watch and listen to a more detailed lecture Anne gave on the same subject here: https://www.crowdcast.io/e/2021-07-29-i-the-fixed-point-in-the-middle-of-the-universe
Anne Külper is a dancer, choreographer and tai-chi and qigong teacher from Stockholm, Sweden. She is a member of the voluntary teaching staff at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark and also gives regular lectures in Sweden.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 6th September 2021.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Photo: Marie Rosenkrantz Gjedsted
Sun, 19 Sep 2021 - 40min - 41 - Episode 41: Life after Death
Is there life after death and, if so, what is it like?
Mary McGovern interviews author Else Byskov about her understanding that there certainly is a life after death, that death is an illusion and that we experience many lives through reincarnation. She gives us a hint of a world of extraordinary beauty beyond the physical world in the hope of preparing us for what is to come.
For further reading see the free online version of Martinus’s book “The Principle of Reincarnation”: https://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index.php?bog=16.
Else Byskov has written and published nine books in English about Martinus Cosmology, including Life After Death in a Nutshell, Fate and Karma in a Nutshell, Reincarnation in a Nutshell (with Maria McMahon), Death is an Illusion and The Art of Attraction. Some of her books are also available in Danish, German and Spanish. See her website: http://newspiritualscience.com/
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 7th June 2021.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sun, 13 Jun 2021 - 51min - 40 - Episode 40: The Cosmology, the Institute and the Centre
The Martinus Cosmology Podcast presents the fifth in a series of lectures given in English by Ole Therkelsen.
Ole Therkelsen describes the transformational spiritual experience that Martinus had 100 years ago on 24th March 1921 that enabled him to experience the laws and principles of life. This formed the basis of his authorship of Livets Bog (The Book of Life) and many other works. His world picture was not in the absolute sense “his”. It is an eternal world picture to which his consciousness opened up. He said that he “gained access to the ocean of knowledge”.
He also created the Martinus Institute as the administrative centre of his work and the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark as an education centre for courses. He predicted that the centre would one day become a university for the study of the world picture he described. Ole described the guidelines set out by Martinus for how co-workers at the Institute and the Centre should cooperate in a harmonious and friendly way.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com. He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 29th July August 2006.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Berit Djuse.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Mon, 12 Apr 2021 - 54min - 39 - Episode 39: Martinus as a World Teacher
The Martinus Cosmology Podcast presents the fourth in a series of lectures given in English by Ole Therkelsen.
To launch our celebrations of the 100th anniversary of Martinus’s experience of cosmic consciousness on 24th March 1921 we present this lecture in which Ole Therkelsen describes Martinus’s process of initiation and the opening of his talents for cosmic consciousness. It was this opening that paved the way for Martinus writing his works, which, towards the end of his life, he decided should be collectively entitled “The Third Testament”. Many religious and spiritual communities around the world have waited and are still waiting for the return of the messiah, the second coming of Christ. Krishnamurti, for example, was groomed to be the new world teacher until he himself rejected the role. According to Martinus, this second coming is nothing less than the birth of cosmic consciousness in each and every single one of us. This demands moral growth to a standard where we, like Christ, can love our enemies and forgive all those that hurt us. To support this moral growth, Martinus has provided us with a spiritual science – a science that analyses the eternal and the temporal, the macrocosmic and the microcosmic, God and the individual living being. He humorously expressed his intention as being “to show that it pays to be good”.
Ole mentions a sculpture of Christ by Bertel Thorvaldsen, a Danish sculptor. Here is a photo of it from the Church of Our Lady in Copenhagen. (Photo: Wikipedia)
Ole mentions Martinus’s symbol no. 23 “The Finished Human Being in God’s Likeness” in this lecture. You can see the symbol and read a short explanation on the Martinus Institute's homepage.
The symbol is explained in detail in The Eternal World Picture, vol. 2 by Martinus: https://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index.php?bog=62&stk=23&pkt=5.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com. He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 8th August 2007.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Berit Djuse.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Sat, 30 Jan 2021 - 57min - 38 - Episode 38: A near-death experience – a personal view
At the age of six, Andreas Skovby Hansen almost drowned after falling into the water from a jetty where his parents’ boat was moored. In this interview with Mary McGovern he describes a near-death experience he had while sitting on the seabed, an experience that he re-experienced 13 years later at the age of 19. Andreas talks about this and other paranormal experiences he has had and about how Martinus Cosmology has provided a framework to help him understand and find meaning in the trials and tribulations of daily life.
Andreas Skovby Hansen (born in 1978) is a part-time schoolteacher and a student of didactics at Aarhus University, Denmark.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern on 15th November 2020 at the Martinus Institute, Copenhagen, Denmark
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Mary McGovern
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark. Martinus’s books can be purchased here: https://shop.martinus.dk/en/english-books-10/
Mon, 16 Nov 2020 - 53min - 37 - Episode 37: My will and God’s will
The Martinus Cosmology Podcast presents the third in a series of lectures given in English by Ole Therkelsen.
In “My will and God’s will” Ole Therkelsen poses the question: What or who do you think God is? There are many differing concepts of God. Some believe in the devil as the cause of everything unpleasant and in God as the cause of everything pleasant. Martinus, however, defines God as absolutely everything that exists. He further defines two types of communication with God: the telepathic form that we normally call prayer and the physical form, which is our daily encounter with life in all its aspects. He looks at the idea of free will and the evolution of prayer from the animal’s cry of fear to the highly evolved human being’s well formulated communication.
Ole mentions Martinus’s symbol no. 16 “The Eternal Body” in this lecture. You can see the symbol and read a short explanation on the Martinus Institute's website.
The symbol is explained in detail in The Eternal World Picture, vol. 1 by Martinus.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com. He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 3rd August 2005.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Berit Djuse.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Fri, 02 Oct 2020 - 55min - 36 - Episode 36: Hilma af Klint – Painting the Invisible
The Swedish pioneer of abstract painting Hilma af Klint (1862-1944) has attracted much attention during the last few years as her works have been exhibited in major galleries around the world. Her paintings can be seen as visual representations of spiritual realities beyond the physical. She was influenced by scientific discoveries of her time, such as radio waves and X-rays, both of which exist but are unseen, and the spiritual teachings of theosophy (Helena Blavatsky) and Rudolf Steiner. A copy of Martinus’s Livets Bog (The Book of Life), vol. 1 was found among her possessions after her death.
The film director Halina Dyrschka guested the Martinus Centre in Klint in July 2020 to give a talk about her film “Beyond the Visible – Hilma af Klint”. In this podcast, Mary McGovern interviews her about Hilma af Klint’s life and work and the striking similarities between some of her paintings and Martinus’s symbols.
Halina Dyrschka studied acting, classical singing and film production before making her debut as a film director. Her film “Beyond the Visible – Hilma af Klint” has won many accolades including being voted one of the best films of 2020 by the New York Times. www.ambrosiafilm.de
You can see Martinus’s 100 symbols here: Many of them are explained in detail in The Eternal World Picture, vols. 1-4.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at the Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 24th July 2020.
Photos: Courtesy of Halina Dyrschka.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Mon, 03 Aug 2020 - 37min - 35 - Episode 35: Who is it that actually reincarnates?
Episode 35: Who is it that actually reincarnates?
“Who is it that actually reincarnates?”, “Why do we reincarnate?” and “How do we reincarnate?” are among the questions taken up in this episode in which Mary McGovern interviews Alex Riel. They discuss characteristics of our consciousness, “talent kernels” in which our abilities are stored, the principle of karma and the transformation of the sexual poles. Many claim that we must be able to change sex from one life to the next. Martinus presents arguments for the opposite, but states that this change occurs in a much greater time perspective – from one cycle of evolution to the next. They investigate the one-life theory and the idea of reincarnation as bases for our philosophy of life.
Alex Riel has a master’s degree in philosophy from the University of Copenhagen, where he also trained to be a psychology teacher. He is also a trained social worker and the author of six books on the philosophy of life. He is a member of the voluntary teaching staff at the Martinus Centre, Klint and the Martinus Institute, Copenhagen.
For additional material, you may like to read Martinus’s explanation of Symbol no. 6, The Living Being: https://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index.php?bog=61&stk=6
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Mon, 06 Jul 2020 - 52min - 34 - Episode 34: Our personal relationship to God
How do you describe your own personal relationship to God? In this episode, Anne Külper, Anne Pullar and Pernilla Rosell share personal reflections about their relationships to God and how they experience God. They talk about their different spiritual paths in life and relate their experiences to Martinus' world picture. Anne Külper, Anne Pullar and Pernilla Rosell are all members of the teaching staff at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark. This podcast was recorded by Pernilla Rosell in Ekerö, Stockholm, on 29th May 2020. Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius. Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: martinus.dk.
Thu, 04 Jun 2020 - 51min - 33 - Episode 33: Journey into the Microcosmos
The Martinus Cosmology Podcast presents the second in a series of lectures given in English by Ole Therkelsen.
In “Journey into the Microcosmos”, Ole Therkelsen describes how our behaviour affects the entire universe of microlife that inhabits our bodies. The Old Testament and the New Testament encourage the development of neighbourly love in the form of love for other human beings. One of the major tasks of The Third Testament is to expand this idea of neighbourly love to include the microbeings within us, whose life and well-being are dependent on what we eat and drink, what we think and feel, how well we sleep and how we treat our corpses after death. He talks about the law of karma and the law of attraction and repulsion and their connection to genes, chromosomes and congenital disorders. Gratitude for one’s fate – however pleasant or unpleasant – is shown to be a natural consequence of initiation into the macrocosmos, mesocosmos and microcosmos and an important factor on our journey towards gaining cosmic consciousness.
Ole explains Martinus’s symbol no. 7 “The Principle of Life Units” in this lecture. You can see the symbol and read a short explanation here: https://www.martinus.dk/en/martinus-symbols/overview-of-the-symbols/symbol-7
The symbol is explained in detail in The Eternal World Picture, vol. 1 (https://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index.php?bog=61&stk=7) and in The Ideal Food (https://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index.php?bog=5) by Martinus.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com. He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 4th August 2004.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Berit Djuse.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: martinus.dk. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 56min - 32 - Episode 32: Two Kinds of Love
In this interview with Mary McGovern Micael Söderberg reflects on existential questions about eternity, infinity and the meaning of our lives and on various aspects of what Martinus terms the sexual pole transformation of mankind.
Micael Söderberg is a sociologist, one of the team of creators and hosts of the Swedish podcast on Martinus Cosmology kosmologipodden.se and a member of the voluntary teaching staff at the Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark.
If you would like to read more about this topic, we can recommend The Third Testament – Livets Bog (The Book of Life), vol. 5: https://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index.php?bog=55
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at Stiftelsen Martinus Kosmologi, Stockholm, Sweden on 30th December 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Sun, 09 Feb 2020 - 1h 03min - 31 - Episode 31: The Road towards the Light
The Martinus Cosmology Podcast presents the first in a series of lectures given in English by Ole Therkelsen.
In “The Road towards the Light” Ole Therkelsen describes some of the core principles and laws of life that are central to Martinus’s world picture. This world picture is eternal, even though we experience our daily lives from a temporal perspective. Life can be viewed in two perspectives: the eternal perspective and the temporal perspective. Confusion can arise when we fail to acknowledge both perspectives. War, illness and all forms of suffering are of course very unpleasant, but from an eternal perspective these things, like everything else, are “very good”. “Behold, everything is very good”, the Bible states. This is not a cynical view, but an explanation of the role of darkness. All darkness forms the contrast that is essential to our ability to experience light at all. The principle of contrast is an eternal principle, as is the principle of cycles and the principle of hunger and satiation, which drives us away from what we are tired of and towards what we are longing for. This lecture can support us in our attempts to understand the “direct speech of life” and to regain our long-lost consciousness of eternity.
Ole explains Martinus’s symbol no. 4 “The Road towards Light” in this lecture. You can see the symbol and read a short explanation here: https://www.martinus.dk/en/martinus-symbols/overview-of-the-symbols/symbol-4
The symbol is explained in detail in The Eternal World Picture, vol. 1 (https://shop.martinus.dk/en/english-books-10/major-books-38/the-eternal-world-picture-vol-1-188.html) and Livets Bog (The Book of Life), vol. 1 (https://shop.martinus.dk/en/english-books-10/major-books-38/livets-bog-the-book-of-life-vol-1-186.html), both by Martinus.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given about 2000 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on http://www.oletherkelsen.dk and on http://www.youtube.com. He is the author of Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution and Martinus and the New World Morality. His books are available from http://amazon.com and http://amazon.co.uk.
This lecture was given by Ole Therkelsen at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 27th July 2004.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Berit Djuse.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: martinus.dk. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Sat, 04 Jan 2020 - 48min - 30 - Episode 30: The World Today and in the Future
A sphynx-like mix of brutality and love, selfishness and selflessness, mankind is constantly evolving – ultimately towards a totally loving state. Unfinished and incomplete, this process is reflected in the current world situation, where we see both our negative tendencies and our positive ones. The news is full of stories of war, terror, crime, natural catastrophies, political unrest and financial imbalance. At the same time, we see many positive tendencies that take the evolution of the Earth in a more humane direction within many diverse areas of society, whether it be humane prison reform, new ways of building businesses, the humane treatment of animals, ways of dealing with climate change or the dawning of ideas about how to reorganise the world’s financial structure. In this interview with Mary McGovern, Solveig Langkilde takes a snapshot of the current situation.
A lecturer and teacher of Martinus Cosmology for over 30 years and a member of the voluntary teaching staff at the Martinus Centre, Klint, Solveig Langkilde has studied Martinus Cosmology since she was introduced to his works by her parents when she was 17 years old. She has run workshops and given many lectures in Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Institute, Copenhagen, Denmark on 30th November 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Sun, 22 Dec 2019 - 56min - 29 - Episode 29: “The Christmas Gospel” – a new publication
Mary McGovern interviews translator Anton Jarrod about his first translation of a book by Martinus – “The Christmas Gospel”. It will be published for the first time in English on 10th December.
When Martinus gives his lecture on “The Christmas Gospel” on 10th December 1944, the world is still in the darkness of war and largely unaware of its most abhorrent horrors. But its end is approaching and there is a glimmer of light. And it is this light in the darkness that is perhaps the very subject of Martinus’s cosmic retelling of the nativity. For him, the gospels reveal and symbolise a fundamental fact about the evolution of cosmic consciousness – that it is born or emerges in the terrestrial human being, living in the darkness of the animal kingdom.
The cosmic story of the living being’s evolution and the various aspects of life that relate to it are also seen to be told through the nativity narrative. The virgin birth, the persecution by Herod, the gifts of the three holy kings, and the message of peace and good will as told in the gospels reveal as much about the evolution of society, of science and art, of sexual pole transformation and sexual development as they do about the life of Jesus. And it is this hidden, deeper layer of meaning that Martinus presents to his readers in a fascinating little book that is now available in English, from 10th December 2019, exactly 75 years since Martinus gave the lecture that forms the basis of this book, which he published in Contact Letters during 1945-46. During our own troubled times, reading The Christmas Gospel may throw some warm light this winter.
128 pages, price 55 DKK incl. Danish tax, 44 DKK excl. tax (approx. £5, US$6.50. €6 plus postage). Available from shop.martinus.dk from 10th December.
Anton Jarrod is a writer and researcher currently living in London and Cambridge, UK. He writes and speaks about modern spirituality. He is also the author of “Martinus Cosmology and Spiritual Evolution” – a book about the work of Martinus, whom he describes as “one of modern spirituality’s still undiscovered gems.” http://www.antonjarrod.com/
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern in Frederiksberg, Copenhagen, Denmark on 30th September 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 11min - 28 - Episode 28: Death and the Continuity of Consciousness
What is death? What happens when we die? Is there life after death? If so, what can we expect when we leave our physical bodies?
Materialistic science deems reincarnation improbable, but recent research into so-called "near-death experiences", which have been seen to occur when people who are clinically dead are resuscitated, questions this view and points to a continuity of consciousness after the death of the physical body – a view shared by Martinus.
In this podcast Mary McGovern interviews Jens Christian Hermansen about Martinus's view of death, life after death and reincarnation – an optimistic and non-materialistic view that may allay the fears many have about death. As the sun sets on our physical life, he writes, it rises on a very real life on the spiritual planes, where our inner thoughts form our outer world. He compares death to sleep; they are parts of the same principle.
Jens Christian Hermansen is a sociologist and a former researcher at the University of Copenhagen. He is the editor-in-chief of the Martinus Institute's magazine KOSMOS and is also involved in teaching, making videos and organising conferences about Martinus Cosmology.
If you would like to read more about this topic, we can recommend the article "Beyond the Fear of Death" by Martinus: https://www.martinus.dk/en/articles/index.php?mode=1&artikelnr=640
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Institute, Frederiksberg, Copenhagen, Denmark on 24th September 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: Marie Rosenkrantz Gjedsted
Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: martinus.dk. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Sun, 06 Oct 2019 - 49min - 27 - Episode 27: Reincarnation in a Nutshell
Is there any truth in the one-life theory? Or is reincarnation more plausible? And, if so, how does it work? Can consciousness exist when the physical body is clinically dead? How can we explain so-called near-death experiences? And what about people who claim to remember previous lives?
In this podcast Mary McGovern interviews author Else Byskov about her claim that death is an illusion and that consciousness cannot be extinguished. They look at the evidence for reincarnation and phenomena such as child prodigies and extraordinary talents. Else Byskov hopes that insight into the evidence for reincarnation will help remove any fear of death we may have and convince us of our immortality.
For further reading see the free online version of Martinus's book "The Principle of Reincarnation": https://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index.php?bog=16.
Else Byskov has written and published seven books in English about Martinus Cosmology, including Reincarnation in a Nutshell (with Maria McMahon), Death is an Illusion and The Art of Attraction. Some of her books are also available in Danish, German and Spanish. See her website: http://newspiritualscience.com/
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 9th August 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sun, 25 Aug 2019 - 44min - 26 - Episode 26: Conscience
What do we understand by "conscience"? We have all had experiences of having a guilty conscience and a clear conscience. We see that our conscience is connected to our varying ideas about good and evil, so that an action that would give one person a guilty conscience would not bother another.
Conscience, according to Martinus, is one of the factors that transform animals into truly humane human beings. It evolves from incarnation to incarnation and regulates what we have the heart to do to others. It becomes an "inner voice" that helps us to live up to our changing ideals.
Mary McGovern interviews Karin Jansson on the evolution of our conscience, the difference between "shame", "sin" and a "guilty conscience" and on how our ideals becomes "pillars of light" guiding us towards higher states of consciousness and creativity.
If you would like to read what Martinus himself writes about conscience, here is a link to his article entitled "Conscience": https://www.martinus.dk/en/articles/index.php?mode=1&artikelnr=2040
An experienced lecturer and teacher of Martinus Cosmology and a member of the voluntary teaching staff at the Martinus Centre, Klint, Karin Jansson is also a journalist, the editor of the Swedish magazine Odlaren (The Grower) and one of the founders of a school in Holma, Sweden that runs courses on permaculture, among other things.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 2nd August 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius. Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus InstituteThe Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Tue, 06 Aug 2019 - 47min - 25 - Episode 25: Sustainability, Society and the Intelligence of Nature
Why are there so many conflicts in society today? Why are phenomena such as poverty and pollution such pressing issues? Can they be solved? Where is human evolution heading?
Mary McGovern interviews Karin Jansson on these and other issues such as the intelligence of Nature, cycles and recycling, the reorganisation of agriculture so as to be in harmony with Nature and the ideal cooperation between people that will render these changes possible.
An experienced lecturer and teacher of Martinus Cosmology and a member of the voluntary teaching staff at the Martinus Centre, Klint, Karin Jansson is also a journalist, the editor of the Swedish magazine Odlaren (The Grower) and one of the founders of a school in Holma, Sweden that runs courses on permaculture, among other things.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 5th May 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius. Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark
Mon, 20 May 2019 - 47min - 24 - Episode 24: Cosmological Perspectives on World History
In this episode Mary McGovern interviews Lauge Schøler on how an understanding of Martinus Cosmology can shed light on our understanding of world history and on how it can help us to see everything, including evolution, warfare and karma, in a new perspective.
Lauge was born in Denmark in 1987 and has studied Martinus Cosmology for the last ten years. He is a psychologist, living and working in Copenhagen.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 17th April 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: http://www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 43min - 23 - Episode 23: The Nature of God
In this episode Mary McGovern interviews Tryggvi Gudmundsson from Iceland about Martinus’ view of the nature of God. What was Martinus' own relationship to God? How does his concept of God differ from that of Christianity and other religions in the East and West? Can we reach a point where we can experience God directly as a living reality? If so, what are the prerequisites for doing so? These questions and others are taken up in this podcast.
Tryggvi Gudmundsson is a life-long student of Martinus Cosmology and has a master’s degree in the history of religion from the University of Copenhagen. He wrote a thesis on Martinus' concept of consciousness.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 15th April 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: http://www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Tue, 16 Apr 2019 - 44min - 22 - Episode 22: Sleep - a gateway to another dimension
Martinus describes sleep as a window or gateway to another dimension - a spiritual world beyond the physical.
In this episode Mary McGovern interviews psychologist and writer Sören Grind. They take up such questions as: What is sleep? What is its purpose? Where is our consciousness when we are asleep? What are dreams?
They discuss the natural contact between people in the physical world and their deceased friends and family during sleep and also provide some practical and spiritual tips for improving the quality of one's sleep.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern in Copenhagen, Denmark on 24th February 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius. Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 39min - 21 - Episode 21: What happens after death?
What happens after death, according to Martinus? What do we experience? Is there a paradise? Why is death such a taboo subject and how can Martinus' analyses comfort people who are afraid of death? In this episode relaxation therapist, translator and writer Anne Pullar and Pernilla Rosell reflect on death and on Martinus' description of the different spiritual phases that human beings go through after death before being born again in a new physical body.
Anne and Pernilla also talk about our human experiences of discarnation and incarnation, about being here on Earth for a limited period of time compared to the overall development of the living being and its consciousness during the long process of evolution that Martinus calls the spiral cycle. Finally, they share some personal reflections on death.
Martinus' book "The Road to Paradise", which is quoted in the episode, is available online on the Martinus Institute's website. It can also be bought in paperback in the Martinus Institute's webshop.
If you would like to read more about this topic, we can also recommend the article "Through the Gates of Death - Sleep and Death" by Martinus.
This podcast was recorded at the Martinus Centre in Stockholm, on 4th January 2019.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute's website. The Martinus Institute Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 51min - 20 - Episode 20: Stress from a spiritual perspective
Current rapid processes of change both at the personal level and at a more global, political level cause many people to experience increasing levels of stress and unnatural fatigue.
In this podcast Mary McGovern interviews psychologist and writer Sören Grind. They reflect on how Martinus' ideas about reincarnation and the evolution of mankind can complement our general understanding of the causes of stress. Why do we see an increase in the number of people who are suffering from stress? Are there spiritual tools that can help us deal with it?
Here you can read Martinus' article Unnatural Fatigue.
The Martinus Cosmology Podcast team wishes all our listeners a Happy New Year!
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at the Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 1st January 2019.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius. Martinus’ literature is available online on the Martinus Institute's website. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Thu, 03 Jan 2019 - 47min - 19 - Episode 19: Martinus' Christmas Letters
In this podcast Mary McGovern and Pernilla Rosell reflect on Martinus' Christmas letters, which he sent out every December from 1933, when the magazine Kosmos began in Danish, until 1980, the Christmas before he left the physical plane. In these letters, he sent his heartfelt thanks to all those who supported his work in various ways. At the same time he provided cosmic analyses of the Christmas mystery and the winter solstice, the latter being a symbol of the culmination of darkness in our minds and hearts and the return of the light in the form of understanding and neighbourly love.
Martinus very often began on a poetic note as in the following example:
"The time of darkness is upon us. We are passing the solstice and are in the midnight hour of the year's cycle, the domain of coldness and night. The sunlit days, the warmth and life of summer are gone … Just as the Godhead is an eternal light in the darkness, so must every living being come to shine in the night. That is the solution to the mystery of life, that is the beings' awakening from death to life, that is initiation, the great birth, or the beings' experiencing of themselves as being one with the Father, the road, the truth and the life." (Martinus, Christmas letter 1949)
Martinus also wrote many articles about Christmas. In "Light in the Darkness" he writes:
"The joy of Christmas will become joy in living, Christmas presents will become the human being giving himself, that is, his joy in living and his creative ability, for the benefit of the whole, and the peace of Christmas will become peace all the year round, not merely between the different nations but also between the different human being. There will really be 'peace on Earth and goodwill to all men', as is promised in the Christmas gospel." http://www.martinus.dk/en/articles/index.php?mode=1&artikelnr=1477
And here's a link to another Christmas article, "Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve", written in 1969: http://www.martinus.dk/en/articles/index.php?mode=1&artikelnr=920
In the beginning of the episode Martinus' Symbol No. 2, "The Principle of World Redemption" is mentioned: http://www.martinus.dk/en/martinus-symbols/overview-of-the-symbols/symbol-2
Merry Christmas to all our listeners from the Martinus Cosmology Podcast team!
This podcast was recorded via Skype by Pernilla Rosell in Stockholm and Mary McGovern in Copenhagen on 23rd December 2018.
Historical photo of Martinus from 1963 by courtesy of the Martinus Institute. Online gallery: http://www.martinus.dk/da/fotogalleri/
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus' literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: http://www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sun, 23 Dec 2018 - 36min - 18 - Episode 18: Lectures on Martinus Cosmology in California
During the autumn of 2018, Mary McGovern from the Martinus Institute, Copenhagen, visited California and gave two lectures on Martinus Cosmology: "The Ongoing Evolution of Human Sexuality" in San José at the SAND conference (https://www.scienceandnonduality.com/sand18-us/) and "The Ideal Food" at The World Veg Festival in San Francisco (http://www.worldvegfestival.com/).
In this podcast episode, Pernilla Rosell interviews Mary MGovern via Skype about her experiences during her lecture trip. Mary tells us about the different topics at these two conferences and about how the conference participants received Martinus' world picture.
This podcast was recorded by Pernilla Rosell in Stockholm on 20 November, 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’ literature is available online on the the Martinus Institute's website.Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Fri, 23 Nov 2018 - 35min - 17 - Episode 17: The Ideal Food
Food is an ethical, health and environmental issue that many people today are taking an increasing and urgent interest in. This is almost certainly a reaction to the killing of billions of mammals and fish every year, the widespread illhealth of mankind and the growing worries about the effect of, for example, meat-eating on the sustainability of the Earth.
According to Martinus, human nutrition is evolving in a more humane direction as our consciousness evolves and our conscience grows to encompass other beings than only those of our own species.
In this podcast Pernilla Rosell interviews Mary McGovern about how Martinus, in his book The Ideal Food, analyses the evolution of human nutrition from meat-eating to vegetarianism and veganism. They look at the consequences of the unreliability of our sense of taste and the effect of our nutritional choices on our health and fate.
You can read The Ideal Food online here: The Ideal Food
This podcast was recorded by Pernilla Rosell at The Martinus Institute, Copenhagen, Denmark on 22nd September 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 40min - 16 - Episode 16: Forgiveness as Science and Art
Many people find it difficult to forgive and see no logical reason for doing so. Mary McGovern interviews Karin Jansson from Sweden after she gave a lecture at the Martinus Centre entitled “Forgiveness as Science and Art”. She describes the process of forgiving with your brain and with your heart, and how it leads to a union with all life.
The idea of forgiveness is essential to Christianity, but Christ didn’t provide any logical explanation for it. Martinus points to non-forgiveness as a very heavy burden that most of us carry with us, a burden that contributes to illness and depression. His world picture helps us to understand the laws of life and why it pays to forgive.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 3rd August 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sat, 18 Aug 2018 - 31min - 15 - Episode 15: Art and the Art of Living
Martinus describes art as something one produces from one’s heart, not for material gain but out of the sheer joy in being creative and in expressing one’s innermost feelings, thoughts and ideas. Mary McGovern interviews Anne Külper, a Swedish dancer and choreographer with a profound interest in Martinus Cosmology. They discuss how intelligence and feeling are balanced in works of art and in the art of living.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 31st July 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Thu, 02 Aug 2018 - 26min - 14 - Episode 14: The Potential for Growth in Relationships
Martinus describes marriage and intimate relationships, and, in fact, all relationships, as grindstones that grind away at the imperfections within us and gradually remove them. All relationships thus contain enormous potential for the growth of wisdom, humaneness and neighbourly love. Loneliness, sexual confusion and the changing roles of men and women are seen to be natural stages on the way to evolving from the male and female sex to the third sex: the human sex.
Mary McGovern interviews Sören Grind, a Swedish psychologist who has taught Martinus Cosmology since 1980. Sören is the author of two books in Swedish – which have been translated into Danish but not English – on what he calls “cosmic psychology”.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 25th June 2018.
Photo of Sören Grind: © Berit Djuse/Fotonova
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Tue, 26 Jun 2018 - 50min - 13 - Episode 13: Our eternal core of being
Who are we really? What is our innermost, eternal core of being? How does Martinus describe the structure of the living being? In this episode Mary McGovern and Sören Grind talk about Martinus’s analyses of the innermost structure of all living beings, and about how we can understand key concepts such as the I and the superconsciousness. Martinus tells us that all living beings develop talent kernels through various stages, and that those talent kernels are stored as spiritual seeds in the superconsciousness from incarnation to incarnation.
Mary and Sören also reflect on the long journey that all living beings make through eternal spiral cycles, according to Martinus, and how this perspective can give daily life meaning and help us cope with its difficulties.
Mary McGovern and Sören Grind have taught Martinus’s cosmology for many years in Denmark and other countries.
This podcast was recorded by Pernilla Rosell at The Martinus Institute, Copenhagen, Denmark on 17th June 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius. Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 43min - 12 - Episode 12: The Downfall of Marriage
Mary McGovern interviews Else Byskov about her most recent book The Downfall of Marriage - The Great Transformation of Our Sexual & Marital Relations, which deals with Martinus’s analyses of the transformation of the sexual poles and the processes that lie behind the changes in our marital relationships. Why do people today find marriage so challenging? Why is the divorce rate so high? And why do so many people live alone? What kind of transformation is it that we see going on in our society? In her book Else hopes to help readers understand how this transformation influences our daily lives.
Else has written and published six books in English about Martinus Cosmology, including Death is an Illusion and The Art of Attraction. Some of her books are also available in Danish, German and Spanish. See her website: http://newspiritualscience.com/
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 17th May 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Thu, 07 Jun 2018 - 46min - 11 - Episode 11: Martinus’s unique contribution to modern spirituality
Based in London, Anton Jarrod is a writer and researcher, focusing on and specializing in modern spirituality from 1850 onwards. He is the author of Martinus Cosmology and Spiritual Evolution (2017), which looks at Martinus’s ideas about the evolution of the human being in relation to the Gospel narratives of the life of Jesus, the archetypal human being. He is currently working in the field of sociology, exploring the relationship between spirituality and the world of work. (See www.antonjarrod.com)
In this podcast Mary McGovern interviews Anton Jarrod about what he considers Martinus's unique contribution to modern spirituality.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 16th May 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sat, 02 Jun 2018 - 46min - 10 - Episode 10: The Translators' Week at the Martinus Centre, 2018
In May 2018 Mary McGovern and The Martinus Institute organised the third Translators’ Week at the Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark. The purpose of the week was to give the institute’s translators, language consultants and proofreaders the opportunity to attend a series of lectures on translating, to develop mutual friendship and cooperation, and to work in the peace and quiet of the centre, away from the many duties of daily life. Twenty-one people, representing 11 languages, the institute’s publishing house and the institute’s international IT service, attended.
In this episode Pernilla Rosell interviews English translator Mary McGovern about the Translators’ Week and her own experience of translating Martinus’s works. Mary provides some insight into the translation process and describes the translation group’s desire to make Martinus’s world picture available in as many languages as possible. They see the translation work as a contribution to understanding ourselves and the world around us.
This podcast was recorded by Pernilla Rosell and Mary McGovern at The Martinus Institute, Copenhagen, Denmark on 19th May 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sun, 20 May 2018 - 28min - 9 - Episode 9: Health and ill-health in the perspective of spiritual science
Health and ill-health in the perspective of spiritual science
Our every thought, feeling and action affects our organs and cells. Our organism is a living universe that is pervaded by our consciousness. The idea of reincarnation sheds new light on questions of heredity, environment, lifestyle and the power of thought. Health and ill-health take us on a journey of research on many levels and, with suffering, our empathy and wisdom grow.
Mary McGovern interviews Sören Grind, a Swedish psychologist who has taught Martinus Cosmology since 1980. Sören is the author of two books in Swedish – which have been translated into Danish but not English – on what he calls “cosmic psychology”.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Centre, Klint, Denmark on 30th March 2018.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Photo: © Berit Djuse/Fotonova
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sat, 31 Mar 2018 - 1h 00min - 8 - Episode 8: In Transition
Why do so many marriages end in divorce? Why are so many people lonely and don’t find happiness in a traditional partnership? Why are there different types of sexuality? Why do many parents experience a conflict between wishing to spend time with their children and wishing to devote more time to intellectual and creative work? Are we experiencing a sexual evolution of humanity that is parallel to its intellectual and social development?
In this podcast episode, Mary McGovern from Copenhagen/Scotland and Pernilla Rosell from Stockholm discuss Martinus's analyses of the pole transformation and the effects of the changing balance of the poles that we can observe in society today.
According to Martinus, all human beings have two sexual poles in their superconsciousness, a masculine pole and a feminine pole. In the animal kingdom, one of these poles is latent, while the other is dominating, thus creating the two sexes that we know as male and female animals. A completely one-poled sexual state is characterised by the instinct for self-preservation and selfishness that we see in instinctual animal behaviour. For humans, the latent pole in both sexes is beginning to develop, which means that men and women are slowly developing into more intellectual, balanced and loving beings. Ultimately, a third sex will emerge, a truly human gender with the highest moral standard of neighbourly love. The sexual pole transformation is the driving force behind all creation.
Mary and Pernilla reflect on how different human beings experience this transitional period today and on how we can find support and a better understanding of human sexual evolution by studying Martinus's analyses. Pernilla also talks about how she first met Martinus's analyses through her grandmother and her father, and how she herself found support in Martinus's analyses of the sexual pole transformation during her own experience of going through a divorce.
If you wish to read more about this topic, we can recommend The Eternal World Picture, vol. 3, chapter 33 and the article "Marriage and Universal Love"
This podcast was recorded at the Martinus Institute, Frederiksberg, Copenhagen on 10th March 2018.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 53min - 7 - Episode 7: Martinus Cosmology – the Theory of Everything
Since the dawn of our reasoning faculties we have tried to understand the universe around us. This enquiry has led to the evolution of science, religion and, more recently, spiritual science. Martinus Cosmology is such a spiritual science. It examines the meaning and purpose behind all physical and mental events in the universe. It looks at the law of cause and effect, the difference between the creator and the created, the law of contrasts and the absolute reality of eternity and infinity. It also shows that prayer has a clear scientific basis, the understanding of which can contribute to one’s understanding of both the pleasant and unpleasant occurrences in one’s life. It looks into life on all levels – the microcosmic, the mesocosmic and the macrocosmic – and can be said to be a theory or science of everything, a science of the consciousness of God.
In the seventh episode of the Martinus Cosmology Podcast, Mary McGovern interviews Ole Therkelsen from Copenhagen, Denmark on Martinus Cosmology, God, the universe and science.
Ole Therkelsen (born in 1948) is a chemical engineer and a biologist with a life-long interest in Martinus Cosmology. He was introduced to Martinus Cosmology by his parents when he was a small boy, and since 1980 he has given over 1500 lectures on Martinus’s world picture in fifteen countries in six different languages. Many of his lectures may be heard on www.oletherkelsen.dk and on www.youtube.com. He is the author of “Martinus, Darwin and Intelligent Design – A New Theory of Evolution” and “Martinus and the New World Morality”.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at the Martinus Institute, Frederiksberg, Copenhagen on 7th February 2018.
Ole Therkelsen’s books can be purchased at amazon.com and amazon.co.uk.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: http://www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Thu, 08 Feb 2018 - 49min - 6 - Episode 6: All of a Sudden I Saw a White Triangle. Interview with Sarah Ann Kinnear
What does it mean to you to have a spiritual experience with signs and colours that you cannot explain? How can we learn more about universal love, intuition, eternity and infinity? In the sixth episode of the Martinus Cosmology Podcast, Pernilla Rosell interviews Sarah Ann Kinnear from Pensacola, Florida, about her personal spiritual experiences and her encounter with Martinus’ cosmology, as well as her activities for promoting learning about Martinus’ works in Pensacola.
Sarah worked as a teacher and as principal for 35 years and has written a seven-volume series of children’s books entitled Little Pearl’s Reflection, the first three of which have been published (see link below), illustrated by Bodil Sebrina Christensen. Sarah tells us about the inspiration she felt when she found Martinus’ symbols and works and began studying them. She explains how some of Martinus’ cosmic analyses and symbols have inspired her in her own life and in the creation of her children’s books.
Sarah also tells us about her experience of taking part in the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.This podcast was recorded by Pernilla Rosell at The Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark, on 12th August 2017, at the end of the summer season 2017 during Sarah’s sixth visit to the centre.
Sarah Ann Kinnear’s books can be purchased at amazon.com: https://www.amazon.com/Sarah-Ann-Kinnear/e/B01N5E7NJ5/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: The Martinus Institute Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Tue, 09 Jan 2018 - 38min - 5 - Episode 5: The Cosmic Message of the Christmas Gospel
The Christmas gospel can be understood on two levels: as an account of historic events and as a symbolic description of the fate of mankind. In the fifth episode of the Martinus Cosmology Podcast, Mary McGovern interviews Tryggvi Gudmundsson from Iceland about Martinus’s interpretation of the various symbols contained in the Christmas gospel: the evolution of the individual out of the animal kingdom towards cosmic consciousness (the birth of the Christ child within each of us), the principle of giving, the eternal contrasts between light and darkness and the realisation of our longing for a future society in which light and peace dominate on all levels.
Tryggvi Gudmundsson is a life-long student of Martinus Cosmology and has a master's degree in the history of religion from the University of Copenhagen.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Institute, Frederiksberg, Copenhagen, Denmark on 17th December 2017.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sun, 17 Dec 2017 - 37min - 4 - Episode 4: Is God Coming Back to Life?
In 1882 Nietzsche declared that God was dead, God would remain dead and that we had killed him. Current scientific research, however, seems to support the idea that God is coming back to life, so to speak. In the fourth episode of the Martinus Cosmology Podcast, Mary McGovern interviews Jens Christian Hermansen, Ph.D., a sociologist and lecturer at The University of Copenhagen, about Martinus’s concept of God and about how it relates to current research into consciousness.
Martinus writes that God consists of all living beings in the endless universe. God experiences life through these living beings. And the experience of every living being is God’s experience. The living beings are God’s sensory organs through which he creates and experiences. God is not outside his creation but is an integral part of it. Every experience that we have is a direct communication with God, since nothing exists outside God. Through this infinite, eternal universe God experiences himself and unfolds his consciousness, his will, his life and his way of being. This makes every experience of life, whether pleasant or unpleasant, a sacred encounter that offers the potential for the development of an intimate relationship to God and a transformation of daily life.
This podcast was recorded by Mary McGovern at The Martinus Institute, Frederiksberg, Copenhagen, Denmark on 28th November 2017.
Music composed and performed by Lars Palerius. Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sat, 02 Dec 2017 - 39min - 3 - Episode 3: The World Situation and the Evolution of Mankind
Today's world may seem to be a difficult place to live in, since many people suffer from wars, terrorism, poverty and starvation. Other people are worried about how to deal with migration and refugees, environmental problems and many other global issues. So how can we understand the world situation today and keep our inner balance? In the third episode of the Martinus Cosmology Podcast, Mary McGovern from Scotland and Sören Grind from Sweden talk about the present world situation from the overall, long-term perspective of the Danish writer Martinus’s world picture.
Many people today become involved in international organisations in order to increase global co-operation, thus promoting peace and progress all over the world. At the same time, however, we also see a rise in nationalism and protectionism, and the closing of borders to an increasing number of countries. In this podcast episode, Mary and Sören discuss how we can find an explanation for these diverging tendencies in Martinus's description of the general evolution of mankind from the animal kingdom to the real human kingdom.
In spite of all the difficulties and sufferings that people have to endure at the moment, Martinus' s world picture describes a very optimistic and positive future. According to his analyses, it is necessary for all human beings to go through the present stage of evolution in order to finally grow out of their primitive and egoistic tendencies, and instead develop their humane abilities. The goal of the evolution of mankind is an ultimate kingdom of peace and happiness for all living beings on Earth.
The podcast episode is moderated by Pernilla Rosell (Sweden). It was recorded at the Martinus Centre, Klint in the autumn of 2016.
Martinus’s literature is available online on the Martinus Institute’s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here, you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark.
Sun, 09 Jul 2017 - 41min - 2 - Episode 2: Life Within Life Within Life
Who are we? What is our place in existence? Is there life in the universe and in the microcosmos of our bodies? In the second episode of the Martinus Cosmology Podcast, Mary McGovern from Scotland and Colleen Turoczy from England talk about central aspects of the Danish writer Martinus' world picture.
They reflect on the questions that they had when they first encountered Martinus' works, and discuss the answers that can be found in Martinus' literature on, among other things, our development towards becoming real human beings, the importance of vegetarian food, the role of Christ and other world redeemers, the world situation today and much more.
The podcast episode is moderated by Pernilla Rosell (Sweden). It was recorded in a summer cottage in the Martinus Centre, Klint, at the end of the summer season, 2016.
Martinus' literature is available online on the Martinus Institute''s website: www.martinus.dk/en. Here, you can also find information about the international summer courses at the Martinus Centre in Klint in Denmark.
Sun, 04 Jun 2017 - 31min - 1 - Episode 1: I Had a Feeling of Coming Home
In our first podcast episode, Mary McGovern from Scotland and Colleen Turoczy from England tell us about when they first encountered Martinus’ cosmology, and what it has meant to them. They also share their experience of staying at the Martinus Centre in Klint, Denmark, as a teacher and voluntary worker. The podcast episode is moderated by Pernilla Rosell (Sweden), and it was recorded in a summer cottage in the Martinus Centre, Klint, at the end of the summer season, 2016.
Tue, 22 Nov 2016 - 35min
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